Drummer Lee Rigby killer appeals

[Jimbuna]

I'm absolutely astounded this individual is planning an appeal when he has yet to be sentenced because the judge is obviously awaiting the go ahead to give a 'whole-life' sentence

Michael Adebolajo, who was found guilty of the murder of British soldier Lee Rigby, has lodged an application to appeal against his conviction, the Judicial Office has confirmed.

Fusilier Rigby was killed on 22 May 2013 in Woolwich, south-east London.

Adebolajo, 29, from Romford, east London, said he was a "soldier of Allah" and it was an act of war.

He and Michael Adebowale, 22, from Greenwich, south-east London, are currently awaiting sentencing.

Mr Justice Sweeney said he would pass sentence on the two men after a key Appeal Court ruling on the use of whole-life terms, with the decision due at a later date.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25961430

[Moonlight]

I suspect this is all about the lawyers gravy train, they will milk this for every penny they can screw out of the taxpayer.

[Oberon]

Commence operation torch and pitchfork!

[Tango589]

Done.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Commence operation torch and pitchfork!

Actually this thread isn't so bad for it.

Originally Posted by Lutjens

Gays are executed and women are treated as property, which seems very hypocritical to me in regards to the aforementioned ideology. Christians don't do any of the such

Not quite.

EDIT - Wrong link!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/wo...-law.html?_r=0

[Admiral Lutjens]

Originally Posted by TarJak

So you're either unaware of or ignoring the pogroms and the Spanish Inquisition all actions initiated in the name of Christianity and with death tolls far in excess anything Islamic.

Can you quote numbers to substantiate your take to the bank claim?

Or are you only talking about modern history in which case you may not have heard of the past two centuries of European warfare which was in part religiously motivated particularly that little scrap we call WW2. Or the 400 odd intervening years of interdenominational warfare.

Don't get me started on Iraq or Afghanistan...

Your bank balance is looking slim.

Originally Posted by Oberon

The Thirty Years War and the French Wars of Religion called, they would like a word...

I'm aware of the Spanish Inquisition and Louis XIV-esque religious wars. When the last of the Papal States fell in the latter part of the 19th century, that pretty much brought an end to the era of religious statehood and expansion in Europe, combined with the HRE going away.

With respect, mate, you're missing what I'm saying. Note I pointed out that Christian religious aggression petered out over the successive centuries to now, particularly after the New World took shape, where's it's almost non-existent. As opposed to Islam, which has always spread like a cancer. What I'm getting at is that (the vast, vast majority of) Christians no longer force their beliefs on others, let alone butcher those that are of different mindsets. A lot moreso in first world countries, than third world countries where pretty much anything goes anyhow.

I've SERVED in Iraq (with some Aussies I might add, swell fellows! ), so again I've seen it with my own eyes. Islam is severely intolerant of Christians hence why Chaldeans and coptic Christians have been persecuted and killed for hundreds of years (See current conflicts in Libya, Egypt, and Syria). Conflicts such as the situation in Ireland/Northern Ireland began as mostly a religious conflict, but over the decades it's morphed into a national pride struggle and religion is an afterthought.

You didn't see Christians stringing people up on crosses like the Ottomans did to the Orthodox Armenians in the beginning of the 20th century. Ataturk wanted a western, secularized albeit still Muslim Turkish society, and that's what he succeeded in doing, up until now with Erdogan and others starting to more and more embrace traditionalist Islam stance and that's not good news.

WW1 was a powderkeg because why? Christian/Muslim relations in addition to other localized issues which culminated in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. WW2's origins had nothing to do with religion, so I'm not certain where you're getting that from.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Actually this thread isn't so bad for it.




Not quite.

EDIT - Wrong link!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/wo...-law.html?_r=0

Okay? Comparing a third world, semi-civilized, chaotic country like that to places such as the US, Britain, Australia....these people would never do anything like that anymore. That stuff went away generations ago.

But, things like THIS disturb me...and reinforce my earlier point. Islam is a cancer, and an idealogy stuck in the 7th century whereas Christianity and Judaism have all evolved and continue to evolve with time.

I'll just leave this here...

[TarJak]

No religion in the world has more blood on its hands than Islam, and you can take that to the bank.

Then you're ignoring the numbers. I'm not great defender of Islam, neither am I a defender of any religion. They are all as insidious as one another and to say that Islam has more blood on its hands than any other is patently ridiculous. The facts do not support your claim.

Christian aggression may have morphed over the years, as it has with many religious aggression, but is still alive and well in many parts of the world including the US, Britain and yes even here is Australia.

If you think Northern Ireland's religious division has dissipated, you may want to look a little deeper into facts surrounding that conflict.

There are several million people murdered in an industrial manner during WWII who may disagree with your assertion that WWII had no nothing to do with religion. Were you aware of the Croation extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope? In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Between 1942 and 1944 its estimated that between 300,000 and 500,000 were murdered in these camps. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them.

Iraq and Afghanistan are both not much more than current day Crusades with "Christian" countries forcing their way into "Islamic" countries and determining how they will be governed.

As to your Turkish example, what is different between that and the KKK's activities? Strange fruit indeed.

In terms of tolerance, your words belie a distinct intolerance, particularly towards Islam, though you are not specific about which branch of Islam you are talking about, Sufi, Shia sunni or Kaffir. That may or may not be due to your first hand experience in Iraq and Saudi, but the lack of tolerance is distinct in what you've written.

I myself, am very intolerant of ignorance.

Back OT, regardless of the killer's religious background, they are simply murderer's who in the eyes of the law are guilty. The appeal should it go ahead will still fail for reasons already stated.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

I suspect this is all about the lawyers gravy train, they will milk this for every penny they can screw out of the taxpayer.

Agreed...there is one clear winner (the legal eagles) and one clear loser (the taxpayers).

[Sailor Steve]

Adebolajo, 29, from Romford, east London, said he was a "soldier of Allah" and it was an act of war.

In that case he should be tried by a military tribunal and imprisoned for the duration of the war (which in this case probably means forever). Or, since he was not in uniform, he should be shot as a spy.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In that case he should be tried by a military tribunal and imprisoned for the duration of the war (which in this case probably means forever). Or, since he was not in uniform, he should be shot as a spy.

Agree 100%, but that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy. How are the judges and lawyers going to work overtime?

[TarJak]

His appeal is very unlikely to find a friendly ear in a British court. His arguments fail on several of the International Humanitarian Law which protects parties not engaged in combat and the wearing of distinguishable uniforms by combatants. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter...manitarian_law

His lawyers should be whacked for contempt of court for a frivolous appeal. But that won't happen either.

[Jimbuna]

Sadly, I think you will be proved correct

[Cybermat47]

Adebolajo, 29, from Romford, east London, said he was a "soldier of Allah" and it was an act of war.

Ok then, let's see the records of when you declared war on some random person. You don't have any? Enjoy your life sentence then.

[Admiral Lutjens]

The 'religion' of peace...

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Admiral Lutjens

The 'religion' of peace...

While Islam does have some problems, let's not judge all Muslims by the actions of two extremists. Plus, the problems that Islam has are basically identical to the problems with Christianity, and my parents didn't kill me when I lost the faith