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Old 09-14-13, 08:09 AM   #1
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Default Three Men ‘Illegally’ Arrested for Openly Carrying ‘Black Powder’ Pistols in Texas

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Three people were reportedly arrested on Friday for openly carrying Civil War-era pistols during a pro-gun protest outside the Texas Capitol. Gun rights activists tell TheBlaze the arrests were unlawful as it is legal in Texas to openly carry a pre-1899 antique firearm.
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Old 09-14-13, 08:24 AM   #2
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OK, a few questions.
Does it fall under an open carry law? Was it some law about antique unreliable black powder weapons, being loaded in a public place?

Were these men allowed to carry? Legally?

I know Texas is cool with guns, but even they got laws pertaining to them.

Black powder is an entirely different animal than our current ammo choices, self contained and safe, less prone to misfires. Were these guns loaded? I can see the gripe if so, black powder is dangerous.

I cannot see Texas being a Jerk about guns, unless there is a good reason. This ain't NJ
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Old 09-14-13, 08:44 AM   #3
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Under Texas law, a gun manufactured before 1899 isn’t even considered a “firearm,” therefore not subject to open carry laws

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He also confirmed that all three men were carrying “pre-1899 black powder revolvers” when they were “illegally arrested.”
And now they are going to fight it in the courts. Good luck.
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And now they are going to fight it in the courts. Good luck.
Black powder is a different animal, IMHO. I think I can get these guys catching heat.

I am pro gun no matter what in most cases, but this seems to be a safety issue.

If your not safe with guns, then you got no business having one.

Ignoring safety to make a political statement..Not saying they did, but it seems like it. ( THIS SENTENCE ONLY VALID IF THE GUNS WERE ACTUALLY LOADED)

If not then disregard above post
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Old 09-14-13, 09:10 AM   #5
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Black powder is a different animal, IMHO. I think I can get these guys catching heat.
The problem there is that a gun manufactured before 1899 doesn't shoot anything but black powder. If the gun is legal, so is the powder.
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So they were arrested for disorderly conduct.

According to Glenn Becks site that means
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which is defined, by law, as an action with a firearm “calculated to alarm.”
According to Texas it also means, abusive language, making a smell, being noisy, being offensive....
But hey, lets give the world of Beck the benefit of the doubt and go on the line they want. Why did they edit the line they used?
Is it because it rips apart their other argument about old revolvers not being firearms?
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So they were arrested for disorderly conduct.

According to Glenn Becks site that means

According to Texas it also means, abusive language, making a smell, being noisy, being offensive....
But hey, lets give the world of Beck the benefit of the doubt and go on the line they want. Why did they edit the line they used?
Is it because it rips apart their other argument about old revolvers not being firearms?
Yechh Glenn Beck? (edit, anyone but him to prove an argument, the guy is a far right wing lunatic. He got kicked off of Fox News, a hard thing to do.))

I suppose Jesse Ventura is a legit source now too. There is a forum of lunatics called godlikeproductions meant for you, just do not mention certain words or get banned. (PM me for the list ;P)

There is a clear difference between single action black powder guns, and modern weapons.

Black powder guns have a high chance of discharging on being dropped.

Look I am pro gun, so not judging these guys, just saying I get the lawmakers point. I also got experience with vintage arms, and they got hair triggers/ fire easily being dropped (let me clarify, trigger pull is hard on these, but a hard drop can discharge them, as opposed to a modern Glock or Sig Sauer handgun.)

edit: My experience comes from a family members Colt Peacemaker, I shot for years, I dropped it once and nearly killed one of my uncles pigs.

The older mechanisms are just not as reliable, or safe.
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Yechh Glenn Beck?

I suppose Jesse Ventura is a legit source now too.

There is a clear difference between single action black powder guns, and modern weapons.

Black powder guns have a high chance of discharging on being dropped.

Look I am pro gun, so not judging these guys, just saying I get the lawmakers point. I also got experience with vintage arms, and they got hair triggers.
From the video it looks like one of the individuals who was arrested problems with the police arose from his rifle not his black powder revolver.
Could that be another misrepresentation for the world of Beck?
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