The gathering storm

Skybird · 05-23-12, 12:41 PM

A from early this year.

No, it is not about Islam, not about religion, not about atheism, nothing of that. It is about the political disaster that currently destroys what we used to call Europe, and it is about the organised crime called "EU", the hijacking of freedom and its turning into a tyranny.

This video by no means is any funny or ironic anymore. I do not know what happend to him on this day when he made the video, but never, never I have seen Pat being so angry and so desperate, so enraged and sad, like here. I agree with most what he said, as I usally do, but still - this is not really entertaining to watch. It left me with a big lump in my throat.

Oberon · 05-23-12, 01:45 PM

Can't disagree with any of it. Although to be honest, voting for freedom or independent parties is a waste of time in the British system because they do not have the ability to gather the support required.
Yes, they have gained ground in the past few years, but they are still lightyears away from having any legitimate power.

The political class, as he calls them, have too much power to be toppled, they control the Armed forces, they control the police, and any organised attempt to remove them would be quashed without support from either.

That's why so many people in the UK just can't be bothered to vote any more, because there's no point.

05-23-12, 04:30 PM

So its a link posted by the EDL. nice

didn't someone say you can tell peoples real views by their crowd of crows they flock with.
well done sky.

So when condell talks about nationalist and freedom parties does he mean those racist bigots who are taking a partial break from football hooliganism so they can go paki bashing under the guise of politics.

Skybird · 05-24-12, 03:55 PM

For some reason I have not watched at his feedback site for several years now, but now I did.

Made me feel ashamed of being a member of our glorious species.

http://www.patcondell.net/page4/page4.html

It's also tempting to think that maybe in some cases euthanasia is a brilliant concept.

But that would not kill the low education on display in such vitriolic stinking comments, nor would that kill the brain parasites of fundamentalist, white supremacist or Islamic ideology, and finally it would come instead at the risk of hate taking over control over my sanity, so I leave it to claiming that I do not always buy into the old saying of that I may not agree with some lower lifeforms' opinions, but would always fight for it'S right to say it. No, I refuse to do that in every case and in every circumstance - I admit I have become a bit choosy. Has somethign to do with the reciprocity in tolerance and respect I witness, or witness not. There are some insects on this planet whom I would just show the cold shoulder when witnessing that they drop dead.

And when they come too close to me, THEN I would reserve the right to strike at them. A question of hygienics, you see.

Feedback like displayed on his site leaves you speechless even when it is aimed at somebody else. But in the end, it is aimed at opinions that I share, so seen that way that acid thought excrement it is aimed at me and people like me, too.

05-24-12, 05:13 PM

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and finally it would come instead at the risk of hate taking over control over my sanity

that train has left the station long ago

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Feedback like displayed on his site leaves you speechless even when it is aimed at somebody else.

funny ain't it, sky links to a bunch of crazy racist nazi wanabes praising his hero because well they gotta be good right, then links to where a bunch of crazy racist nazi wannabes are slagging his hero.
So many self contradictions

But hey lets have some lightness and mirth on Skys friends who are not his friends who are his friends....confusing eh

flying with the crows...as skybird says he is indeed flocking together

yubba · 05-24-12, 05:42 PM

So far I'm not impressed with any of these wackos, they think they are just going too take over, collapse every thing, right, they miss their first mo ka joe from Star Bucks they will be crying for good ole days, when the power goes out they'll starve, for they won't know how to open a can of food, in 1 or 2 weeks after the water has been turned off they will either be dead, or be so sick they won't put up much of a fight.

soopaman2 · 05-25-12, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Can't disagree with any of it. Although to be honest, voting for freedom or independent parties is a waste of time in the British system because they do not have the ability to gather the support required.
Yes, they have gained ground in the past few years, but they are still lightyears away from having any legitimate power.

The political class, as he calls them, have too much power to be toppled, they control the Armed forces, they control the police, and any organised attempt to remove them would be quashed without support from either.

That's why so many people in the UK just can't be bothered to vote any more, because there's no point.

Try the American system for a spell, and wait until a fillibuster happens on an important bill for no other reason than to discredit the executive branch. So their party can get in office later on.

I always thought a parliamentiary system was fairer. The people decided what they wanted, no partisan crap. The people got what they voted for, and if it don't work, we can try the other side. In Murica, the other side spends money pasting the opponnent, trying to get thier boys in offce, and nothing gets done.

I actually envy europe, I feel you guys have a better choice than we do. Even when our side wins, we still lose, and nothing gets done, and progress gets snowballed.

Skybird · 05-25-12, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

I actually envy europe, I feel you guys have a better choice than we do. Even when our side wins, we still lose, and nothing gets done, and progress gets snowballed.

What makes you think it is different here?

Its pretty much the same principle mechanisms corrupting the system, just with another face. Your rules get eroded and broken, our rules get eroded and broken. You are bancrupt, we are bancrupt. Your leaders are corrupt, our leaders are corrupt. Your freedom gets destroyed, our freedom gets destroyed.

Fight where you are, you must not search battle elsewhere. It'S everywhere around these days. Any arena is as good or as hopeless than any other. Refuse to obey the wanted decisions and opinions that they claim are expected from you. The only important thing would be that you, and people, start to resist the system, and deny it any further legitimation to proceed with its crime against the common good and people's interest. Europe will and cannot save you. And since the fight is not militarily, the US cannot save Europe again anymore, too.

soopaman2 · 05-25-12, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

What makes you think it is different here?

Its pretty much the same principle mechanisms corrupting the system, just with another face. Your rules get eroded and broken, our rules get eroded and broken. You are bancrupt, we are bancrupt. Your leaders are corrupt, our leaders are corrupt. Your freedom gets destroyed, our freedom gets destroyed.

Fight where you are, you must not search battle elsewhere. It'S everywhere around these days. Any arena is as good or as hopeless than any other. Refuse to obey the wanted decisions and opinions that they claim are expected from you. The only important thing would be that you, and people, start to resist the system, and deny it any further legitimation to proceed with its crime against the common good and people's interest. Europe will and cannot save you. And since the fight is not militarily, the US cannot save Europe again anymore, too.

It may be a "grass is greener on the other side" thing, or it may be a "time for radical change" thing.

No matter how I explain it , it comes down to rebellion, I now fear our patriot act, and an indefinate stay in detention with no charges.

I was uhhh....Kidding? Yeah!

Hey at least you guys don't have GITMO, my new home soon.

05-25-12, 06:28 PM

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I have researched a bit on the English Defence League and do not like it much

Yet you posted a link to their youtube channel as you both seem to like like what Condell says.
Could be worse you could have linked to some racist complaining about black people again because you got upset by a soccer match and wanted a link to express your shared views

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seems to be a very unfriendly kind of right extremist breed

they say the same as you say and the same as he says which says a lot about what is being said by all of you.

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So some people seem to hijack him for their own agendas, either to benefit from him in their own intentions, or to give him bad name by trying to compromise his reputation.

If they are all saying the same they all have a similar agenda.
flocking with crows wasn't it

by their company you shall know them...the truth according to skybird which unfortunately turns round bites him again and again

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I know there was a UKIP councilor somewhere in the north of England who enlisted EDL aid in a demo earlier in the year. I'll try and find a link to it on HP but I don't know how far back their archives go.

But hold on Sky said the UKIP are Ok and they just like what Pat says, they can't share the same views as the EDL can they as that would mean they are both just nationalist right wing populists

Egan · 05-25-12, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yet you posted a link to their youtube channel as you both seem to like like what Condell says.
Could be worse you could have linked to some racist complaining about black people again because you got upset by a soccer match and wanted a link to express your shared views

they say the same as you say and the same as he says which says a lot about what is being said by all of you.

If they are all saying the same they all have a similar agenda.
flocking with crows wasn't it

by their company you shall know them...the truth according to skybird which unfortunately turns round bites him again and again

But hold on Sky said the UKIP are Ok and they just like what Pat says, they can't share the same views as the EDL can they as that would mean they are both just nationalist right wing populists

Tim Montgomery wrote a great article in the times about UKIP recently, if you have the patience and money to track it down through it's paywall. Puts to bed some myths about them for good.

I love it when he does the occasional piece in the Guardian. Gets them frothing in craziness on Comment is Free and almost makes up for them publishing Seamus Milne.

Ducimus · 05-24-12, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

A from early this year.

Heh, wow. If what he's going on about is true, you all got a serious problem over there.

05-24-12, 08:05 PM

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Heh, wow. If what he's going on about is true, you all got a serious problem over there.

Yes its true, pretty shocking stuff, Italy has got a "technocratic" government ....again.

How regularly has that happened in the past 60 years?
Like with all condels stuff its a mixture of truth fabrication and a hefty dose of alarmism.

Oberon · 05-24-12, 08:20 PM

You can't deny that something has gone very wrong in Brussels though, but unfortunately we are stuck in a cycle that has robbed us of the power to actually influence our government in any meaningful way.
Still, the British public voted for this stupid system (I didn't, I voted against it) so they shall reap what they sow.

Skybird · 05-25-12, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Heh, wow. If what he's going on about is true, you all got a serious problem over there.

It'S coming for you as well. It is already happening.

05-23-12, 12:41 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The gathering storm A from early this year. No, it is not about Islam, not about religion, not about atheism, nothing of that. It is about the political disaster that currently destroys what we used to call Europe, and it is about the organised crime called "EU", the hijacking of freedom and its turning into a tyranny. This video by no means is any funny or ironic anymore. I do not know what happend to him on this day when he made the video, but never, never I have seen Pat being so angry and so desperate, so enraged and sad, like here. I agree with most what he said, as I usally do, but still - this is not really entertaining to watch. It left me with a big lump in my throat. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 05-25-12 at 05:15 PM.

05-24-12, 03:55 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	For some reason I have not watched at his feedback site for several years now, but now I did. Made me feel ashamed of being a member of our glorious species. http://www.patcondell.net/page4/page4.html It's also tempting to think that maybe in some cases euthanasia is a brilliant concept. But that would not kill the low education on display in such vitriolic stinking comments, nor would that kill the brain parasites of fundamentalist, white supremacist or Islamic ideology, and finally it would come instead at the risk of hate taking over control over my sanity, so I leave it to claiming that I do not always buy into the old saying of that I may not agree with some lower lifeforms' opinions, but would always fight for it'S right to say it. No, I refuse to do that in every case and in every circumstance - I admit I have become a bit choosy. Has somethign to do with the reciprocity in tolerance and respect I witness, or witness not. There are some insects on this planet whom I would just show the cold shoulder when witnessing that they drop dead. And when they come too close to me, THEN I would reserve the right to strike at them. A question of hygienics, you see. Feedback like displayed on his site leaves you speechless even when it is aimed at somebody else. But in the end, it is aimed at opinions that I share, so seen that way that acid thought excrement it is aimed at me and people like me, too. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-23-12, 01:45 PM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Can't disagree with any of it. Although to be honest, voting for freedom or independent parties is a waste of time in the British system because they do not have the ability to gather the support required. Yes, they have gained ground in the past few years, but they are still lightyears away from having any legitimate power. The political class, as he calls them, have too much power to be toppled, they control the Armed forces, they control the police, and any organised attempt to remove them would be quashed without support from either. That's why so many people in the UK just can't be bothered to vote any more, because there's no point.

05-23-12, 04:30 PM	#3
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	So its a link posted by the EDL. nice didn't someone say you can tell peoples real views by their crowd of crows they flock with. well done sky. So when condell talks about nationalist and freedom parties does he mean those racist bigots who are taking a partial break from football hooliganism so they can go paki bashing under the guise of politics.

05-24-12, 05:42 PM	#6
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	So far I'm not impressed with any of these wackos, they think they are just going too take over, collapse every thing, right, they miss their first mo ka joe from Star Bucks they will be crying for good ole days, when the power goes out they'll starve, for they won't know how to open a can of food, in 1 or 2 weeks after the water has been turned off they will either be dead, or be so sick they won't put up much of a fight.

05-24-12, 08:20 PM	#14
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	You can't deny that something has gone very wrong in Brussels though, but unfortunately we are stuck in a cycle that has robbed us of the power to actually influence our government in any meaningful way. Still, the British public voted for this stupid system (I didn't, I voted against it) so they shall reap what they sow.