Obamacare Lawsuit to be heard in my hometown this week

[Bubblehead1980]

The Obama Regime's motion to dismiss the Lawsuit filed by Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum(joined by 20 other states) will be heard in my hometown of Pensacola, FL at the Federal Courthouse on 14 September.Really wish I could be there but I am currently away for my first term of law school.Really would be great to watch the regime's motion flushed down the legal toilet so that the lawsuit may continue it's journey to the US Supreme Court and hopefully result in the repeal of the Obamacare

[Takeda Shingen]

OT--I thought that you were born and raised nearly Philly. I had no idea you were from Pensacola.

[gimpy117]

and how exactly is "obamacare" illegal?

it's funny how many illegal things bush did...but everybody let it slide.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

and how exactly is "obamacare" illegal?

Show me in the US Constitution where it gives the Federal Government permission to require that I do business with a private company.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by August

Show me in the US Constitution where it gives the Federal Government permission to require that I do business with a private company.

Furthermore where it states that it can require you to purchase and pay for a service / product.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Show me in the US Constitution where it gives the Federal Government permission to require that I do business with a private company.

There are a lot of things that are legal that are not explicitly stated in the constitution.

Show me in the constitution that my tax dollars can be used for space exploration. Show me in the constitution where the DEA can arrest me for a meth lab. Show me in the constitution where I have to comply with a flight attendant's directions.

Etc etc

[AVGWarhawk]

Show me in the constitution where I have to comply with a flight attendant's directions.

It depends on what she looks like and what she is asking me to do.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

There are a lot of things that are legal that are not explicitly stated in the constitution.

Show me in the constitution that my tax dollars can be used for space exploration. Show me in the constitution where the DEA can arrest me for a meth lab. Show me in the constitution where I have to comply with a flight attendant's directions.

Etc etc

Whether you think they are legal or not is immaterial as they are not the same things Mookie.

This is a whole new area of government control that probably won't survive constitutional muster once it gets to the SC.

Where else does the government have the right to make you purchase services or goods from a private company? I think mandatory car insurance comes the closest and that only applies if you want to drive on public roads and then only your liability against damages to others.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

it's funny how many illegal things bush did...but everybody let it slide.

That part I'll certainly agree with. This has nothing to do with legal or illegal, just "my guy against yours". It's a political post, nothing more.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That part I'll certainly agree with. This has nothing to do with legal or illegal, just "my guy against yours". It's a political post, nothing more.

You are incorrect.This has everything to do with the constitutionality of the health care law passed earlier this year.When Bush was doing things I did not like, I spoke up about it but was not on the boards then.Guess what, it does not matter because Bush is not the President and just because one President championed causes that pissed on the Constitution does not mean the next one should get a pass, esp when tweaking something as personal as healthcare.Bush looks like a freaking saint compared to Obama, so get over it and lets talk about NOW.I did not vote for Bill McCollum for Governor but certainly proud to have him as my Attorney General who has the guts to take on the regime.

Obamacare is blatantly unconstitutional.The individual mandate is a great example because the Federal government does NOT have the power under the consitution to tax, penalize(called an excise tax) etc for not buying something.Surely even the most left wing hater of the consitution can see that this flies in the face of what our republic stands for.For if that were true, the government could technically force you to buy anything they deem you need.Obama likes Pepsi?, well he could techinically make us buy Pepsi under the Feds line of thinking.Slippery Slope, remember that.

Then the cost of this monster.We are already in debt, big time and although the scumbags who constructed this law tried to argue it would not add debt, guess what? The CBO has said it will cost more than expected and it will run up yet more debt.The bill is unpopular because it muders liberty when it comes to healthcare, costs too much, will raise health care costs(due to higher taxes on medical equipment etc) and really is just a giant F U to the people under the guise of helping us because the President and Dems in Congress believe they know what is best for us.

There are a few good things but they do not outweigh the faults of the bill.The good things include stopping companies from denying for pre existing conditions.Allowing students to stay on parents insurance until 26, this directly affects me as since I am in law school now and no longer employed, I need my parents insurance but if I do not have it, well I'll handle it.

The Republicans will most likely win mid terms in a big way and have vowed repeal and repass, so the few good things combined with some tort reform(yes coming from an aspiring lawyer) and some other things could make a decent, constitutional healthcare law.No doubt we need some reform in our system but Obamacare is not reform, it's giant, unconstitutional power grab that will damage our republic even further and those who fail to see that, well hopefully they will see the light someday.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

You are incorrect.This has everything to do with the constitutionality of the health care law passed earlier this year.

Fair enough, and as usual I agree, being much more conservative than you might think. The problem is the old saying "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." When you use dismissive terms like "regime" you come across as narrow, one-sided and opinionated. I've said before that you sound like you learned your politics from Sean Hannity. Sorry if that offends, because I agree with you more than you know, but you make conservatives look bad.

[Aramike]

Show me in the constitution that my tax dollars can be used for space exploration. Show me in the constitution where the DEA can arrest me for a meth lab. Show me in the constitution where I have to comply with a flight attendant's directions.

Article 1, Secton 8, Clause 1 states: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

Hence the space program. Congress can collect taxes to pay for things. Congress cannot force citizens to pay private companies for things. Furthermore the same section grants Congress the power to ban your meth lab and the 4th Amendment provides where the DEA can enter your home and arrest you for it. Finally, the flight attendent can force you to comply due to the Federal Aviation Act which was legally enstated by Congress due to powers granted to them via Article 1 Section 8.

Congress forcing all citizens to pay private companies for insurance could be considered a federal tax, but such a tax seems to be a clear violation of the language in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 which states "...but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States", unless of course the bill provides that all insurance coverage costs be precisely the same (which I don't believe it does). And even then it would be a stretch to consider a payment to private companies a tax.

(To be honest, I believe a single-payer system would be far more Constitutional than Obamacare, but people just don't want that.)

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That part I'll certainly agree with. This has nothing to do with legal or illegal, just "my guy against yours". It's a political post, nothing more.

QFT
And it applies to EVERY political thread in GT.
No one is right or wrong, (even if they can't see it that way)
its just a diffence of opinion

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

OT--I thought that you were born and raised nearly Philly. I had no idea you were from Pensacola.

haha what gave you that impression?

[August]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

haha what gave you that impression?

You should enter a location in your profile so folks don't make that mistake.