Your fav method of shooting.

Armistead · 09-09-10, 02:26 PM

I know we all have our preference method of shooting, OKane, Vector, 8010

, ect..what is yours?
So many talk of using them, but I seldom do. I once lived by these mehtods, moreso with contacts on. They work great on single ships, but face it, a single ship comes my way, I'll TC until it's at about 350 at 600 yards, stad it and shoot, never miss.

I seldom use any type OKane attack when attacking a TF. With contacts off it's really impossible. I am getting better with the new radar mod and using pause. Often I find it leaves me in a bad position. Cromwell certainly is how I will setup as I approach at a better angle, less likely to get pinged and able to turn my sterns into the mix, but still very limiting. With TMO, many times an outer escort will sense you before you can fire regardless of perfection of approach.

Mainly, in a TF or large convoy the ships I want may be in the worse position to use OKane type attacks. This is more of a problem with contacts off. Simply I may have to change direction several times while approaching submerged, dodging escorts and working into a decent shooting position, impossible to stay on a fixed course. Then you may have 30 seconds to fire, so it's usually a quick manual setup and shoot a spread by the wire.

Sammi79 · 09-09-10, 03:19 PM

I have played SH4 for 3-4 years now after spending even more time on SH3. I play only with full realism and use Lurkers fantastic Op Monsun Mod aswell as many personal modifications for real navigation, realistic deckgun etc.. with Karamazownevs scope measuring dial being the ultimate targetting tool. Upon sighting a vessel I watch its smoke trail for maybe a few minutes and then take a guess as to which way it is heading. I try to match course, at flank speed. Every few minutes I watch the smoke trail and adjust course, making marks on the map and with a little prediction and observation normally manage to get a pretty damn accurate idea of target position and heading. Then I continue ahead until the target is out of sight, turn 90 degrees toward the target and again using map marking and prediction try to stop where I think the target will pass in front of my boat at a distance of 1km and submerge.

Listening on sonar until target is within periscope visual again. The only help I use is the identify target, then finding in the recog manual the correct target dimensions measure the speed on the stopwatch and the AOB. At this point I may adjust to get a closer range and a more perpendicular shot unless I feel it is close enough to 90 within about 15-20 degrees. as the target aproaches, I listen on sonar until target is at about 60 degrees port or starboard. then periscope up, measure range, speed & AOB all within about 1 minute. periscope down. wait until 45 degrees on sonar then repeat every 10 degrees until consecutive measurements match new position then leave position keeper (or german equivalent) on and turn scope to show 90 degree impact normally at 5 or 10 degrees and wait scope down. depending on size of ship arm 1-3 torps and open tubes. wait for 15-20 degrees on sonar then scope up.

Aim at smokestack now at 15 degrees, fire 1. wait 5-10 secs, fire 2 etc... scope down. wait for impact. upon first hit am certain of consecutive hits. surface immediately and man deckgun. due to possibility of duds or ship not yet sunk, occasionally 5-10 rounds with deckgun before 'she's going down sir!' 90%+ hit rate with this method I don't know how you call it. with convoys, allways target biggest ship with 3 torps and smaller one with last tube. have to work alot quicker though and hit rate goes down, 60-70% i'd say. Also no surfacing rather a quick and deep dive then silent run, then the real game begins... the satisfaction is immense better then any other game i have ever played.

Diopos · 09-09-10, 04:03 PM

Actually the problem is not the shooting method. The problem, for me at least, is knowing/getting target speed and course. Then you can "shift" firing methods as the actual situation dictates. If there is no flanking DD near by, O'Kane is great, if it is "out there" and a more "angled" approach is dictated, no problem as long as you have speed+course and the opportunity to fire before you get detected.
For convoys I must admit I am a victim of "auto targeting maximum tube utilization syndrome" (

!). When I played on "auto" I tried to get "in" the convoy and perpendicular to its course. With "auto" you could "shoot the ducks" from both the bow and aft tubes and score a tonnage an actual WW2 skipper would need 6 months to get. You could get rammed during the attempt of course, but the game is soooo forgiving when it comes to that! After getting that bad habit, I still pursue the notion of trying to hit multiple targets in a convoy. 0-gyro angle torpedo firing allows for that as long as you know that god damn speed+course. I must admit though, that, eventually, many times I simply "stad" a target that seems more "hitable" and get the hell "outa there" as I am already pinged, and my target speed+course estimation was "rough".
So for me the "challenge" is not the actual shooting but having collected the appropriate and valid "numbers" (data) before. Now, I'm not sure if that's the mark of a good skipper or a typical accountant!

And it is that aspect of the game I'm trying to "explore" (whenever I find the time).

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tomoose · 09-09-10, 04:17 PM

...to pretty much using the standard "by the book" techniques and tools that come with the boat. While I definitely sucked at the beginning I have become quite adept and have developed a knack for calculating (and tweaking) a target's speed and AOB. Part of my success I attribute to not focussing on hitting a specific point on the target but rather just hitting the target, LOL.

I play as "realistically" as possible and am quite satisfied if I return from a patrol with only one or two sinkings. I have never run out of fuel and I have had only minor damage from a delayed reaction to "aircraft spotted".

NorthBeach · 09-09-10, 05:33 PM

The very few singles I am willing to expend a torp for are approached with the O'Kane in mind. For convoys and TFs I generally opt for a Cromwell, but, with ts carefully noted so that I have the VA lead angle on hand if it degenerates into needing it. There have been times, when feeling ambitious, where I'll go for multiples starting with a far reaching VA at 45deg (fast setting), followed by a Cromwell (slow) for a medium distance target, then a third with either of them depending on target position. On the rare occasion that I'm inside the convoy, I'll might try to swing the boat for an aft O'Kane. But, that rarely goes well after roiling up the water with 6 torps.

Rockin Robbins · 09-09-10, 06:30 PM

On convoys I try to get a single shot off for the largest target from 2000 yards or under in TMO. Then I can actually get the shot off, turn tail and run before the escorts swarm me. Whether the shot hits or not, this pulls the escorts to my side of the convoy.

I'm exiting out the back at high speed to cross their sterns and do the end around to the unguarded side of the convoy. When I get there there's gonna be hell to pay!

Armistead · 09-09-10, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthBeach

The very few singles I am willing to expend a torp for are approached with the O'Kane in mind. For convoys and TFs I generally opt for a Cromwell, but, with ts carefully noted so that I have the VA lead angle on hand if it degenerates into needing it. There have been times, when feeling ambitious, where I'll go for multiples starting with a far reaching VA at 45deg (fast setting), followed by a Cromwell (slow) for a medium distance target, then a third with either of them depending on target position. On the rare occasion that I'm inside the convoy, I'll might try to swing the boat for an aft O'Kane. But, that rarely goes well after roiling up the water with 6 torps.

Man, that's some skill, I don't have the brains to go from one attack to the next in a matter of seconds, I envy those that can.

09-09-10, 02:26 PM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Your fav method of shooting. I know we all have our preference method of shooting, OKane, Vector, 8010, ect..what is yours? So many talk of using them, but I seldom do. I once lived by these mehtods, moreso with contacts on. They work great on single ships, but face it, a single ship comes my way, I'll TC until it's at about 350 at 600 yards, stad it and shoot, never miss. I seldom use any type OKane attack when attacking a TF. With contacts off it's really impossible. I am getting better with the new radar mod and using pause. Often I find it leaves me in a bad position. Cromwell certainly is how I will setup as I approach at a better angle, less likely to get pinged and able to turn my sterns into the mix, but still very limiting. With TMO, many times an outer escort will sense you before you can fire regardless of perfection of approach. Mainly, in a TF or large convoy the ships I want may be in the worse position to use OKane type attacks. This is more of a problem with contacts off. Simply I may have to change direction several times while approaching submerged, dodging escorts and working into a decent shooting position, impossible to stay on a fixed course. Then you may have 30 seconds to fire, so it's usually a quick manual setup and shoot a spread by the wire. Last edited by Armistead; 09-09-10 at 02:40 PM.

09-09-10, 04:03 PM	#3
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Actually the problem is not the shooting method. The problem, for me at least, is knowing/getting target speed and course. Then you can "shift" firing methods as the actual situation dictates. If there is no flanking DD near by, O'Kane is great, if it is "out there" and a more "angled" approach is dictated, no problem as long as you have speed+course and the opportunity to fire before you get detected. For convoys I must admit I am a victim of "auto targeting maximum tube utilization syndrome" (!). When I played on "auto" I tried to get "in" the convoy and perpendicular to its course. With "auto" you could "shoot the ducks" from both the bow and aft tubes and score a tonnage an actual WW2 skipper would need 6 months to get. You could get rammed during the attempt of course, but the game is soooo forgiving when it comes to that! After getting that bad habit, I still pursue the notion of trying to hit multiple targets in a convoy. 0-gyro angle torpedo firing allows for that as long as you know that god damn speed+course. I must admit though, that, eventually, many times I simply "stad" a target that seems more "hitable" and get the hell "outa there" as I am already pinged, and my target speed+course estimation was "rough". So for me the "challenge" is not the actual shooting but having collected the appropriate and valid "numbers" (data) before. Now, I'm not sure if that's the mark of a good skipper or a typical accountant! And it is that aspect of the game I'm trying to "explore" (whenever I find the time). . __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

09-09-10, 04:17 PM	#4
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I confess... ...to pretty much using the standard "by the book" techniques and tools that come with the boat. While I definitely sucked at the beginning I have become quite adept and have developed a knack for calculating (and tweaking) a target's speed and AOB. Part of my success I attribute to not focussing on hitting a specific point on the target but rather just hitting the target, LOL. I play as "realistically" as possible and am quite satisfied if I return from a patrol with only one or two sinkings. I have never run out of fuel and I have had only minor damage from a delayed reaction to "aircraft spotted".

09-09-10, 06:30 PM	#6
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	On convoys I try to get a single shot off for the largest target from 2000 yards or under in TMO. Then I can actually get the shot off, turn tail and run before the escorts swarm me. Whether the shot hits or not, this pulls the escorts to my side of the convoy. I'm exiting out the back at high speed to cross their sterns and do the end around to the unguarded side of the convoy. When I get there there's gonna be hell to pay! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

09-09-10, 03:19 PM	#2
Sammi79 XO Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Penzance Posts: 428 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	I have played SH4 for 3-4 years now after spending even more time on SH3. I play only with full realism and use Lurkers fantastic Op Monsun Mod aswell as many personal modifications for real navigation, realistic deckgun etc.. with Karamazownevs scope measuring dial being the ultimate targetting tool. Upon sighting a vessel I watch its smoke trail for maybe a few minutes and then take a guess as to which way it is heading. I try to match course, at flank speed. Every few minutes I watch the smoke trail and adjust course, making marks on the map and with a little prediction and observation normally manage to get a pretty damn accurate idea of target position and heading. Then I continue ahead until the target is out of sight, turn 90 degrees toward the target and again using map marking and prediction try to stop where I think the target will pass in front of my boat at a distance of 1km and submerge. Listening on sonar until target is within periscope visual again. The only help I use is the identify target, then finding in the recog manual the correct target dimensions measure the speed on the stopwatch and the AOB. At this point I may adjust to get a closer range and a more perpendicular shot unless I feel it is close enough to 90 within about 15-20 degrees. as the target aproaches, I listen on sonar until target is at about 60 degrees port or starboard. then periscope up, measure range, speed & AOB all within about 1 minute. periscope down. wait until 45 degrees on sonar then repeat every 10 degrees until consecutive measurements match new position then leave position keeper (or german equivalent) on and turn scope to show 90 degree impact normally at 5 or 10 degrees and wait scope down. depending on size of ship arm 1-3 torps and open tubes. wait for 15-20 degrees on sonar then scope up. Aim at smokestack now at 15 degrees, fire 1. wait 5-10 secs, fire 2 etc... scope down. wait for impact. upon first hit am certain of consecutive hits. surface immediately and man deckgun. due to possibility of duds or ship not yet sunk, occasionally 5-10 rounds with deckgun before 'she's going down sir!' 90%+ hit rate with this method I don't know how you call it. with convoys, allways target biggest ship with 3 torps and smaller one with last tube. have to work alot quicker though and hit rate goes down, 60-70% i'd say. Also no surfacing rather a quick and deep dive then silent run, then the real game begins... the satisfaction is immense better then any other game i have ever played.

09-09-10, 05:33 PM	#5
NorthBeach Torpedoman Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 112 Downloads: 216 Uploads: 0	The very few singles I am willing to expend a torp for are approached with the O'Kane in mind. For convoys and TFs I generally opt for a Cromwell, but, with ts carefully noted so that I have the VA lead angle on hand if it degenerates into needing it. There have been times, when feeling ambitious, where I'll go for multiples starting with a far reaching VA at 45deg (fast setting), followed by a Cromwell (slow) for a medium distance target, then a third with either of them depending on target position. On the rare occasion that I'm inside the convoy, I'll might try to swing the boat for an aft O'Kane. But, that rarely goes well after roiling up the water with 6 torps.