Don't blame the devs for decisions not up to them

01-28-10, 02:10 PM

I want to remind everyone that the devs work for a living too just like we do.

in our jobs we must sometime do things that people do not like and sometimes we get unfairly blamed for things we are forced to do so i ask you keep this in mind and not take out your unhappiness on the devs or blame them unfairly for things they cannot control.

the devs are all very nice guys who share our love for sub sims and if it were only up to them, i'm sure they would always produce games in the most finished state possible for us but someone else makes the decissions we find to be most troubling.

here is a quote that i hope will help you understand the position they are in:

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

While I can't comment on the DRM solution, I know it wont affect the modability.

Now people can hate me if they want, can't stop that.

But the truth is the interview where we said we'll have all 3 main types of subs in the game (II,VII,IX) was done before the decision to cut IX and II from the game. Can't turn back time.

Things like that happen during development of any game. Again, if you want to be completely safe you don't answer any questions, but you wouldn't like that either

I don't see it as much of a problem. The important part is that we let you people know that only type VII submarines are in the game. It would be a mistake if you were lead to believe we have ALL in the game and then you buy it and surprise - no type IXs.

That is not the case.

Thomen · 01-28-10, 02:18 PM

From another thread:

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I think it many here are grateful for the insights and details that were delivered, by the Dev Team. But it is mainly the.. eh.. lets call it 'not really confidence building news' that come from the publisher that ticks people off.

Task Force · 01-28-10, 02:20 PM

Im not pissed at the devs, they work under UBI soft, and are funded by them also... its not really there choice... But its UBI is ticked at...

Iron Budokan · 01-28-10, 02:25 PM

My current beef is with UBI.

Subsequent game bug howlers? Then I might question the devs. But right now my focus is squarely on UBI and its stupefying myopia as regards the release of SH5.

TDK1044 · 01-28-10, 02:26 PM

These Devs are much liked and highly respected. Nobody is in any way blaming them for this fiasco.

floundericiousWA · 01-28-10, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

These Devs are much liked and highly respected. Nobody is in any way blaming them for this fiasco.

I think some people are, actually.

I'm with you, though... Dan and the whole dev team have my respect and gratitude for all the effort they put into making SH titles.

My beef is exclusively with UBI and is partially inflated because of the uncertainty we all feel because the game isn't released yet.

That's why on the "will you still buy" I answered that I'm on the fence and want more information before I make a decision.

kapitan_zur_see · 01-28-10, 02:30 PM

+1
I second that

FIREWALL · 01-28-10, 02:31 PM

HUH !!! A few minutes ago this thread was closed.

onelifecrisis · 01-28-10, 02:39 PM

OMG, this is stickied!?

Those poor devs.
I think we should all send them a big group hug.

martes86 · 01-28-10, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

These Devs are much liked and highly respected. Nobody is in any way blaming them for this fiasco.

I think some people are, actually.

It's bound to happen. I myself I'm trying to explain people that there's a difference between development decisions and corporate decisions, because, since the Devs actually work for Ubi, then it's just automatic to blame anyone, and words get mixed up, and there you go, devs being blamed. One just has to have a little patience to make people see that the Devs are actually 100% commited, but that it's the company, the suits, the ones behind decision such as having online validation for ALL OF UBISOFT GAMES, not just SH5.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that, Ubi had a meeting with Dan & co. to explain them the new system and that it'd be mandatory for all the game lineup, and so they took their hands up to their faces in a gesture of pure fear like "OMG, some people ain't gonna like this, we're so doomed". I know I would, because it makes us users upset, but the devs, that actually know already a thing or two about the community, probably knew the impact this decision would have longer before it was even publicly announced.

Cheers, and respect

urfisch · 01-28-10, 02:49 PM

the devs are not responsable...for what ubi is deciding. but what i would blame them for is, when things are not to come, as dan promised.

we will see.

Alex · 01-28-10, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

These Devs are much liked and highly respected. Nobody is in any way blaming them for this fiasco.

EX-AC-TLY.

@ Dan : in your opinion (if you're allowed to let this kind of detail go, that is), as type IX's and II's were expected to be part of SH5 some time ago, do you think we'll see them released later via some - free - patch, or are they going to be part of an add-on via which Ubi will of course try to earn more money ?

Whatever is your answer, I thank you all dev teamers for your patience. Don't EVER think anyone is going to blame you guys in the future, we know you're not responsible for DRM.

JU_88 · 01-28-10, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

EX-AC-TLY.

@ Dan : in your opinion (if you're allowed to let this kind of detail go, that is), as type IX's and II's were expected to be part of SH5 some time ago, do you think we'll see them released later via some - free - patch, or are they going to be part of an add-on via which Ubi will of course try to earn more money ?

Whatever is your answer, I thank you all dev teamers for your patience. Don't EVER think anyone is going to blame you guys in the future, we know you're not responsible for DRM.

I think that wil be down to SHV's sales figures and is probabaly way beyond Dans control.
But I sure hope the other types do get added

HundertzehnGustav · 01-28-10, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

These Devs are much liked and highly respected. Nobody is in any way blaming them for this fiasco.

Certainly not me!
I imagine being in their shoes - creating stuff and implementing features, research, long days, hardcore pressure...
andf then half their work gets flushed down the loo, and the other half fudged up by the management.

If the CREATORS of the game, not the Sellers, if these Guys would live anywhere near me, i would drive over and buy them a beer, or invite them for dinner.

Elder-Pirate · 01-28-10, 02:40 PM

Webster would you please point me to a post from one of our Subsim members whom tried to shoot down one of the SH5 Devs.

I've read almost each post form 7 am up to about 3 AM for the last couple days now and although UBI has been blasted by many Subsim members I have not seen the first one that has bad mouthed a SHV Dev.

We've got a crazy bunch (

) here at Subsim but they are not stupid.

I feel that you are getting ahead of your self sometimes.

Of course I've lacked some sleep lately and I am human and could have very well missed a Dev negative post so this is why I have asked that the post be pointed out.

Maybe if you will just take a deep breath and sip some water you'll feel better.

01-28-10, 02:20 PM	#3
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Im not pissed at the devs, they work under UBI soft, and are funded by them also... its not really there choice... But its UBI is ticked at... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

01-28-10, 02:25 PM	#4
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	My current beef is with UBI. Subsequent game bug howlers? Then I might question the devs. But right now my focus is squarely on UBI and its stupefying myopia as regards the release of SH5. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

01-28-10, 02:30 PM	#7
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	+1 I second that __________________

01-28-10, 02:31 PM	#8
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01-28-10, 02:39 PM	#9
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	OMG, this is stickied!? Those poor devs. I think we should all send them a big group hug. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

01-28-10, 02:26 PM	#5
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	These Devs are much liked and highly respected. Nobody is in any way blaming them for this fiasco.

01-28-10, 02:49 PM	#11
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	the devs are not responsable...for what ubi is deciding. but what i would blame them for is, when things are not to come, as dan promised. we will see. __________________

01-28-10, 02:40 PM	#15
Elder-Pirate Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Morris, Illinois USA Posts: 1,090 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Webster would you please point me to a post from one of our Subsim members whom tried to shoot down one of the SH5 Devs. I've read almost each post form 7 am up to about 3 AM for the last couple days now and although UBI *has* been blasted by many Subsim members I have not seen the first one that has bad mouthed a SHV Dev. We've got a crazy bunch ( ) here at Subsim but they are not stupid. I feel that you are getting ahead of your self sometimes. Of course I've lacked some sleep lately and I am human and could have very well missed a Dev negative post so this is why I have asked that the post be pointed out. Maybe if you will just take a deep breath and sip some water you'll feel better. __________________