Can we pick up ALL Survivors?!

Kamikaze Krazy · 08-22-09, 12:11 AM

I'm frustrated that after torpedoing an enemy ship or watching a friendly ship sinking, that I can't rescue the survivors. That just isn't right.

I think it would be more historically accurate if you can pick them up for some "renown". However rescuing sailors of different nationality would have an impact on your game play.

For example, if you try to rescue Japanese sailors, they may cooperate and allow themselves to be picked up, may say "No, go away!" and may try to get away from your sub, or worse... they may be "fully loyal to the Emperor" and try to blow up OR damage your sub with explosives in their life raft/boat!

I really do hope that we can chose different campaigns in SH5, like Japanese, German, American, and perhaps even British.

What do you guys think?

FIREWALL · 08-22-09, 12:16 AM

In SH4 you can pickup friendlies for a part of completeing a mission.

Maybe they'll put in a improved version.

JScones · 08-22-09, 12:56 AM

Going back a step, I'd like to see lifeboats and other flotsam and jetsom modelled.

Picking up survivors would be a nice feature, but gee it would take a bit of effort to fully implement. There's a lot more to it than just pulling up beside a ship and clicking a "Rescue survivors" button. What are you going to do with them? Where are you going to offload them? What impact will they have on your patrol duties? The game would need to support answers to these questions as well, lest buyers complain of another half implemented feature.

FIREWALL · 08-22-09, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Going back a step, I'd like to see lifeboats and other flotsam and jetsom modelled.

Picking up survivors would be a nice feature, but gee it would take a bit of effort to fully implement. There's a lot more to it than just pulling up beside a ship and clicking a "Rescue survivors" button. What are you going to do with them? Where are you going to offload them? What impact will they have on your patrol duties? The game would need to support answers to these questions as well, lest buyers complain of another half implemented feature.

Picking up downed US pilots is in SH4.

JScones · 08-22-09, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Picking up downed US pilots is in SH4.

Somewhat different than filling a u-boat with enemy ship survivors now isn't it? A friendly US pilot or two in a US sub is not a logistic or administrative burden. Try 10-20 if not more Allied survivors crawling all over your u-boat and see what happens.

FIREWALL · 08-22-09, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Somewhat different than filling a u-boat with enemy ship survivors now isn't it? A friendly US pilot or two in a US sub is not a logistic or administrative burden. Try 10-20 if not more Allied survivors crawling all over your u-boat and see what happens.

CRASH DIVE

BTW . Haveing any thoughts about a SHBdU for SH5 ?

08-22-09, 01:12 AM

The merchant sailors knew where they're going when they joined merchant marine during the war. From the moment they leave the native harbour they stop being innocent citizens, they become guardians of vital warfare supply and thus bocame legitimate targets for u-boats with their ships and their lives.

It's just a myth that u-boats were in war against materia only - ships. Not less important was their crew from tactical point of view.

Capt.Warner · 08-22-09, 09:32 PM

It would be Nice if you could rescue them but if they are enemys flak gun them

Subnuts · 08-22-09, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt.Warner

It would be Nice if you could rescue them but if they are enemys flak gun them

...Annnnnnnnnnnnd this thread has now officially entered the 10th Circle.

Dowly · 08-22-09, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt.Warner

It would be Nice if you could rescue them but if they are enemys flak gun them

Or maybe put that MG34 we see in SH3's conning tower to a better use.

Hanomag · 08-22-09, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt.Warner

It would be Nice if you could rescue them but if they are enemys flak gun them

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Or maybe put that MG34 we see in SH3's conning tower to a better use.

Yes.. yes.. mow down the shwinehund...

Oops..sorry..

SilentAngel · 08-23-09, 10:31 AM

War criminals!

Hanomag · 08-23-09, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentAngel

War criminals!

Well ..my SH3Commander random fate was "captured in Venezuela in 2002, tried by the EJC (for war crimes- machinegunning survivors HMS Newcastle, 1942) and sentenced to life imprisonment. Subsequently dying of cancer in 2003."

Talyllyn · 09-07-09, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanomag

Yes.. yes.. mow down the shwinehund...

Oops..sorry..

Kapitänleutnant Heinz-William Heck U852 was executed for war crimes after his war diary provided evidence that he had machine gunned survivors from the Greek ship Peleus. Although his primary objective was to sink all the floating debris after sinking the ship.

You do wonder if Werner Hartenstein U156 would have tried quite so hard to save the survivors of the Laconia if they had not been mostly Italian prisoners.

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Thomen · 09-07-09, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Talyllyn

Kapitänleutnant Heinz-William Heck U852 was executed for war crimes after his war diary provided evidence that he had machine gunned survivors from the Greek ship Peleus. Although his primary objective was to sink all the floating debris after sinking the ship.

Heck's case was, IMO, a case of "Siegerjustiz" and the sentence way over board, compared to other stuff or procedures.

08-22-09, 12:11 AM	#1
Kamikaze Krazy Sailor man Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 45 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	Can we pick up ALL Survivors?! I'm frustrated that after torpedoing an enemy ship or watching a friendly ship sinking, that I can't rescue the survivors. That just isn't right. I think it would be more historically accurate if you can pick them up for some "renown". However rescuing sailors of different nationality would have an impact on your game play. For example, if you try to rescue Japanese sailors, they may cooperate and allow themselves to be picked up, may say "No, go away!" and may try to get away from your sub, or worse... they may be "fully loyal to the Emperor" and try to blow up OR damage your sub with explosives in their life raft/boat! I really do hope that we can chose different campaigns in SH5, like Japanese, German, American, and perhaps even British. What do you guys think? __________________ "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!" Lieutenant Howell Maurice Forgy, USN Having passed the enlistment physical, Jon was asked by the doctor, "Why do you want to join the Navy, son?" "My father said it'd be a good idea, sir." "Oh? And what does your father do?" "He's in the Army, sir."

08-22-09, 12:16 AM	#2
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	In SH4 you can pickup friendlies for a part of completeing a mission. Maybe they'll put in a improved version. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-22-09, 09:32 PM	#8
Capt.Warner Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 262 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	It would be Nice if you could rescue them but if they are enemys flak gun them __________________

08-23-09, 10:31 AM	#12
SilentAngel Mate Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 55 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	War criminals! __________________ Running silent,running deep,we are your final prayer Warriors in secret sleep,a merchantman's nightmare A silent death lies waiting, for all of you below Running silent,running deep,sink into your silent sleep

08-22-09, 12:56 AM	#3
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Going back a step, I'd like to see lifeboats and other flotsam and jetsom modelled. Picking up survivors would be a nice feature, but gee it would take a bit of effort to fully implement. There's a lot more to it than just pulling up beside a ship and clicking a "Rescue survivors" button. What are you going to do with them? Where are you going to offload them? What impact will they have on your patrol duties? The game would need to support answers to these questions as well, lest buyers complain of another half implemented feature.

08-22-09, 01:12 AM	#7
Contact Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The merchant sailors knew where they're going when they joined merchant marine during the war. From the moment they leave the native harbour they stop being innocent citizens, they become guardians of vital warfare supply and thus bocame legitimate targets for u-boats with their ships and their lives. It's just a myth that u-boats were in war against materia only - ships. Not less important was their crew from tactical point of view.