It will be the end of the Democrats as a Party

GoldenRivet · 08-08-09, 06:44 PM

sunvalleyslim · 08-08-09, 07:42 PM

GoldenRivet,
You are so right. If you have your own HealthCare Insurance plan you need to be worried. This is for the uninsured, but if you do have your own plan it will be taken away........that is you will be forced to accept The National Plan.
I have a house in Mexico. I have a FM-3 card (legal residence). It entitles me to free medical care in Mexico. The Mexican citizens I have known for 20 years do not use their own free nationalized medicine. They all go to their own doctors, and pay cash for good medical treatment. They do not trust nationalized medicine. So that has shown to me that it does'nt work.
If you have your own medical plan, please, please voice your own opinion in this regard. It will do no good for our society to be subugated to a lower standard. Merely MHO.....SVS

08-08-09, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

GoldenRivet,
You are so right. If you have your own HealthCare Insurance plan you need to be worried. This is for the uninsured, but if you do have your own plan it will be taken away........that is you will be forced to accept The National Plan.
I have a house in Mexico. I have a FM-3 card (legal residence). It entitles me to free medical care in Mexico. The Mexican citizens I have known for 20 years do not use their own free nationalized medicine. They all go to their own doctors, and pay cash for good medical treatment. They do not trust nationalized medicine. So that has shown to me that it does'nt work.
If you have your own medical plan, please, please voice your own opinion in this regard. It will do no good for our society to be subugated to a lower standard. Merely MHO.....SVS

Maybe having a health care system that works is just too difficult a task for Americans, United Staters and Mexicans both. Something that has been the norm for us Finns since as long as I know is just too overwhelmingly difficult to Americans. Maybe it really is so and we should all just let it rest at that, forever.

antikristuseke · 08-08-09, 08:13 PM

Oth, to be frank, the scales at which yo are dealing with are different. The larger the target the more difficult it is to get a large scale universal system to work efficently, for countries the size of Sweden, Finland and Estonia it is relatively easy to get a universal healthcare system to function, for something larger, not so much. Though I am fairly certain it can be done, and should, it is not quite as clear cut or simple as you seem to make it out to be.

GoldenRivet · 08-08-09, 08:18 PM

i agree that something needs to be done to tweak our health care system.

this is not it however.

a man should not have to wait 3 days to be treated for a Broken Collar bone!!!

give me a GD break

my two main questions are this:

1. Why WHY are the democrats in such a mad ass hurry to push this thing through?

2. Where does it benefit them??? do they have money tied up in something thats going to make them all rich if this monstrosity passes?

all real Americans, all responsible Americans need to step back and look at the big picture here... what are they not telling us? and whats the rush???

the two immediate effects i see if this thing is passed.

1. Americans will riot... or in the very least flock to DC in anger and protest.

2. The Republicans will win the next majority.

mookiemookie · 08-09-09, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

1. Why WHY are the democrats in such a mad ass hurry to push this thing through?

FIREWALL · 08-08-09, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Maybe having a health care system that works is just too difficult a task for Americans, United Staters and Mexicans both. Something that has been the norm for us Finns since as long as I know is just too overwhelmingly difficult to Americans. Maybe it really is so and we should all just let it rest at that, forever.

Next you'll be telling us , sh!t tastes like chocalate icecream.

GoldenRivet · 08-08-09, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Next you'll be telling us , sh!t tastes like chocalate icecream.

Rocky Road

Kapt Z · 08-08-09, 10:35 PM

Interesting video. Not any more objective than Michael Moore's films but interesting.

Reminded me of some of my experiences with our great healthcare system here in the US of A.

Like the time the emergency room doctor asked me to look at a x-ray and guess if it was of my hand(which I had injured) because they forgot to label the film and were not sure who's hand it was. He wasn't joking.

Like the time I was sent to the ER in a ambulance for severe stomach pain and was still on the gurney, in the hallway, unseen by a doctor, 5 hrs later.

Like the time my 20 month old daughter was sent to the ER for severe dehydration and after 4 nurses and 3 doctors failed to get a IV started. They shrugged and said, "We can't do anything for her, just take her home and do the best you can."

Like the time my medical insurance company refused to pay for my new born daughter's stay in the hospital. She was born 2 months premature. They said her stay in intensive care was 'unnecessary'.

Like the time the same insurance company offered to pay $2.50 for a $3,500.00+ hospital bill for treatment of my daughter by her doctor who was a participating physician in their plan.

On and on and on. And these were all different hospitals. And we had insurance!

I don't know if national healthcare is the answer or not, but certainly things ain't rosy as they are. That's enough to keep me open to suggestions.

BO made healthcare reform one of his campaign pledges. Funny that we should be suprised he actually intends keep it.

GoldenRivet · 08-08-09, 10:39 PM

Where in God's name within the United States do you live?

Kapt Z · 08-09-09, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Where in God's name within the United States do you live?

Those incidents happened over a span of about 20 years. They took place in hospitals in NY, PA and NJ. The insurance company was a nationwide carrier.

My family has actually received excellent medical care for the most part over those years, but my point was anyone can have horrible experiences no matter what the system.

SteamWake · 08-09-09, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

BO made healthcare reform one of his campaign pledges. Funny that we should be suprised he actually intends keep it.

Thats funny I seem to recall that was Hillary's platform and Barry did his best to avoid it after he saw how people reacted to it.

Of course once your in office its another matter.

Onkel Neal · 08-09-09, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

Like the time my medical insurance company refused to pay for my new born daughter's stay in the hospital. She was born 2 months premature. They said her stay in intensive care was 'unnecessary'.

Like the time the same insurance company offered to pay $2.50 for a $3,500.00+ hospital bill for treatment of my daughter by her doctor who was a participating physician in their plan.

On and on and on. And these were all different hospitals. And we had insurance!

What insurance company would that be?

Re: the video, I'm not sure how strong this guy's point it. Our clinics and doctor offices are usually closed on weekends too (aren't they?) and our e-rooms are packed, with insane long waits too -- mainly because the hospital will not refuse care to illegal aliens and people with no insurance and who refuse to pay--the e-room is their "family doctor".

What we need is to go to having state hospitals manned by volunteer profressionals and funded by people who are so gung ho about universal health care for those who will not pay, and leave the private hospitals for people who pay and for professionals who want to be compensated properly. Let's see how that works

mookiemookie · 08-09-09, 11:41 AM

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mainly because the hospital will not refuse care to illegal aliens and people with no insurance and who refuse to pay--the e-room is their "family doctor".

While this may be true, one misconception I keep seeing is that if you go to the emergency room with no insurance they don't just treat you and say "No insurance? Oh well, I guess you don't have to pay! See ya!" They do bill you, and it's quite pricey. I know from experience.

SUBMAN1 · 08-09-09, 11:57 AM

I've been preaching this on this forum for so many years. I've seen their health care and honestly, I think these guys were treated better than even what I've seen. The nurses must have liked them.

This kind of health care in the states is the very LAST thing Americans want. It's terrible. My mother-in-law would be alive today I think if they had our health care, but on the Canadian system, she is now no longer with us.

Anyone that wants this universal plan in my opinion is a complete idiot.

-S

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sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	GoldenRivet, You are so right. If you have your own HealthCare Insurance plan you need to be worried. This is for the uninsured, but if you do have your own plan it will be taken away........that is you will be forced to accept The National Plan. I have a house in Mexico. I have a FM-3 card (legal residence). It entitles me to free medical care in Mexico. The Mexican citizens I have known for 20 years do not use their own free nationalized medicine. They all go to their own doctors, and pay cash for good medical treatment. They do not trust nationalized medicine. So that has shown to me that it does'nt work. If you have your own medical plan, please, please voice your own opinion in this regard. It will do no good for our society to be subugated to a lower standard. Merely MHO.....SVS __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

08-08-09, 08:18 PM	#5
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	i agree that something needs to be done to tweak our health care system. this is not it however. a man should not have to wait 3 days to be treated for a Broken Collar bone!!! give me a GD break my two main questions are this: 1. Why WHY are the democrats in such a mad ass hurry to push this thing through? 2. Where does it benefit them??? do they have money tied up in something thats going to make them all rich if this monstrosity passes? all real Americans, all responsible Americans need to step back and look at the big picture here... what are they not telling us? and whats the rush??? the two immediate effects i see if this thing is passed. 1. Americans will riot... or in the very least flock to DC in anger and protest. 2. The Republicans will win the next majority. __________________

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Where in God's name within the United States do you live? __________________

08-09-09, 11:57 AM	#15
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've been preaching this on this forum for so many years. I've seen their health care and honestly, I think these guys were treated better than even what I've seen. The nurses must have liked them. This kind of health care in the states is the very LAST thing Americans want. It's terrible. My mother-in-law would be alive today I think if they had our health care, but on the Canadian system, she is now no longer with us. Anyone that wants this universal plan in my opinion is a complete idiot. -S __________________

08-08-09, 08:13 PM	#4
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Oth, to be frank, the scales at which yo are dealing with are different. The larger the target the more difficult it is to get a large scale universal system to work efficently, for countries the size of Sweden, Finland and Estonia it is relatively easy to get a universal healthcare system to function, for something larger, not so much. Though I am fairly certain it can be done, and should, it is not quite as clear cut or simple as you seem to make it out to be.

08-08-09, 10:35 PM	#9
Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	Interesting video. Not any more objective than Michael Moore's films but interesting. Reminded me of some of my experiences with our great healthcare system here in the US of A. Like the time the emergency room doctor asked me to look at a x-ray and guess if it was of my hand(which I had injured) because they forgot to label the film and were not sure who's hand it was. He wasn't joking. Like the time I was sent to the ER in a ambulance for severe stomach pain and was still on the gurney, in the hallway, unseen by a doctor, 5 hrs later. Like the time my 20 month old daughter was sent to the ER for severe dehydration and after 4 nurses and 3 doctors failed to get a IV started. They shrugged and said, "We can't do anything for her, just take her home and do the best you can." Like the time my medical insurance company refused to pay for my new born daughter's stay in the hospital. She was born 2 months premature. They said her stay in intensive care was 'unnecessary'. Like the time the same insurance company offered to pay $2.50 for a $3,500.00+ hospital bill for treatment of my daughter by her doctor who was a participating physician in their plan. On and on and on. And these were all different hospitals. And we had insurance! I don't know if national healthcare is the answer or not, but certainly things ain't rosy as they are. That's enough to keep me open to suggestions. BO made healthcare reform one of his campaign pledges. Funny that we should be suprised he actually intends keep it.