"Obama is acting like Bush"

Onkel Neal · 06-25-09, 09:56 AM

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President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Barack Obama of behaving like his White House predecessor and called on him to apologize for what he called U.S. interference following Iran's elections.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31539392...deastn_africa/

Looks like Obama's buddy is turning on him. Quick! Set up a meeting.

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Before the election, the Obama administration had indicated that it was interested in reaching out to Iran, after years of a diplomatic freeze following the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Iran has given no clear signal that it is interested in Obama's overture, and in the wake of the election, the U.S. leader has slowly ratcheted up his criticism of Iran.

Skybird · 06-25-09, 10:08 AM

Iran has accused the BBC today to have ordered the assassination of Neda.

Netanjahu has rebuffed almost all core demands made by Obama.

N-Korea gives nothing about Obama.

It seems to me that Obama's new foreign policy style already has failed on a wide front. Did it even got out of the starting block when the starting shot was fired? Meaning it well is one thing. The others - that is a very different thing.

More scratches in the once shiny varnish. And the Europeans are not happy with the president of debts, too.

If it goes on like this one is wondering what will be left of Obama's new way in 3.5 years. Probably Helmut Schmidt once again - like so often - got it right when saying he gave not much for the hype, and that he is sceptical of Obama being able to turn his sweet words into solid an successful action. And when there is no success - what use has there been in the good intention alone? Even when it lived for just one day, it nevertheless has lived...?

Merkel currently visits Obama. Both are said to not getting warm with each other. And they disagree on quite many things.

Frame57 · 06-25-09, 10:35 AM

This is aperfect example of the (some) muslim mindset. There is no pleasing them. Try being nice to them and you will die nice.

mookiemookie · 06-25-09, 10:47 AM

His economic policies and the advice he's getting from Turbo Tax Timmy and Larry Summers is very Bush-esque.

Max2147 · 06-25-09, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

This is aperfect example of the (some) muslim mindset. There is no pleasing them. Try being nice to them and you will die nice.

I think the vast majority of Muslims, and even a majority of those in Iran, would be offended by the comparison to Ahmadinejad.

Skybird · 06-25-09, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

I think the vast majority of Muslims, and even a majority of those in Iran, would be offended by the comparison to Ahmadinejad.

Don't put your money on that. There is no evidence that Ahmadinejadh has not gotten a majority in this time's elections, and he got that in last time'S elections, and maybe you underesitmate the widespreaded conservatism of Muslims in Algeria, Turkey, Iran, Egypt - of these countries I can speak due to personal impressions from not just short stays. The Western assumption that socalled moderate Islam is the real Islam and that socalled extremist Islam is just a deformation and a distraction from the rule, is wrong, and a Western self-deception. Islam is an extreme fundamentalist, totalitarian ideology by it'S most natural essence and content. So do not be mislead. Regarding Iran, I said it from the beginning on: there probably has been some fraud, to be sure that Ahmadinejadh would win for sure, but I strongly assume he would have won anyway, even without fraud.

Aramike · 06-25-09, 01:11 PM

What Obama failed to realize is that the people he thought he could "talk" to aren't interested in talking at all - they only want concessions. Concessions that the West would be unwise to give.

It's sad that we in the US elected a president who was so hopelessly naive about foreign policy and so dangerously irresponsible on domestic fiscal matters.

Max2147 · 06-25-09, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Don't put your money on that. There is no evidence that Ahmadinejadh has not gotten a majority in this time's elections, and he got that in last time'S elections, and maybe you underesitmate the widespreaded conservatism of Muslims in Algeria, Turkey, Iran, Egypt - of these countries I can speak due to personal impressions from not just short stays. The Western assumption that socalled moderate Islam is the real Islam and that socalled extremist Islam is just a deformation and a distraction from the rule, is wrong, and a Western self-deception. Islam is an extreme fundamentalist, totalitarian ideology by it'S most natural essence and content. So do not be mislead. Regarding Iran, I said it from the beginning on: there probably has been some fraud, to be sure that Ahmadinejadh would win for sure, but I strongly assume he would have won anyway, even without fraud.

Just because somebody is a very conservative Muslim doesn't mean they like Ahmadinejad. He's hardly a spokesman for the religion.

Saying that conservative Muslims think like Ahmadinejad and like him would be like saying that all conservative Christians around the world liked George Bush, which simply isn't true.

SteamWake · 06-25-09, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

This is aperfect example of the (some) muslim EXTREMIST mindset. There is no pleasing them. Try being nice to them and you will die nice.

Fixed for you

AVGWarhawk · 06-25-09, 12:02 PM

Obama's magic wand is broken!!!!!! He does not walk on water. His crap stinks. He puts his pants on one leg at a time. He still snatches a smoke every now and then.

The world has been HOODWINKED

I think Skybirds accessment is dead on.

The screwings continue abroad as well as at home. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN...oh brother.

SUBMAN1 · 06-27-09, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Obama's magic wand is broken!!!!!! He does not walk on water. His crap stinks. He puts his pants on one leg at a time. He still snatches a smoke every now and then.

The world has been HOODWINKED

I think Skybirds accessment is dead on.

The screwings continue abroad as well as at home. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN...oh brother.

You can't say I didn't tell you so in this forum.

-S

AngusJS · 06-26-09, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31539392...deastn_africa/

Looks like Obama's buddy is turning on him. Quick! Set up a meeting.

Yeah, and Bush's policy was just so effective.

Why should we continue doing something which doesn't work?

What's wrong with starting with a clean slate? If Iran wants to be unreasonable, so be it. But at least give it a chance. If it doesn't work, so what?

Trying diplomacy does not make Aheorpiuzadad his buddy.

06-25-09, 10:08 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Iran has accused the BBC today to have ordered the assassination of Neda. Netanjahu has rebuffed almost all core demands made by Obama. N-Korea gives nothing about Obama. It seems to me that Obama's new foreign policy style already has failed on a wide front. Did it even got out of the starting block when the starting shot was fired? Meaning it well is one thing. The others - that is a very different thing. More scratches in the once shiny varnish. And the Europeans are not happy with the president of debts, too. If it goes on like this one is wondering what will be left of Obama's new way in 3.5 years. Probably Helmut Schmidt once again - like so often - got it right when saying he gave not much for the hype, and that he is sceptical of Obama being able to turn his sweet words into solid an successful action. And when there is no success - what use has there been in the good intention alone? Even when it lived for just one day, it nevertheless has lived...? Merkel currently visits Obama. Both are said to not getting warm with each other. And they disagree on quite many things. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-25-09, 10:35 AM	#3
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	This is aperfect example of the (some) muslim mindset. There is no pleasing them. Try being nice to them and you will die nice. __________________ "My Religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds." Albert Einstein

06-25-09, 10:47 AM	#4
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	His economic policies and the advice he's getting from Turbo Tax Timmy and Larry Summers is very Bush-esque. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

06-25-09, 12:02 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Obama's magic wand is broken!!!!!! He does not walk on water. His crap stinks. He puts his pants on one leg at a time. He still snatches a smoke every now and then. The world has been HOODWINKED I think Skybirds accessment is dead on. The screwings continue abroad as well as at home. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN...oh brother. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-25-09, 01:11 PM	#7
Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	What Obama failed to realize is that the people he thought he could "talk" to aren't interested in talking at all - they only want concessions. Concessions that the West would be unwise to give. It's sad that we in the US elected a president who was so hopelessly naive about foreign policy and so dangerously irresponsible on domestic fiscal matters.