Do you attack single DD?

Leg · 04-25-09, 06:19 AM

Untill now I've sunk DD only for self defence. When your sonarman or you watch spot a single DD, do you attack it or let it go? Same also in small convoys with 2\3 ships and a DD or or taskforces. Is it worth to sink them or you just focus on merchant ships and convoys?

Kubryk · 04-25-09, 06:43 AM

I don't engage single DD's. I go for tonnage, I don't fire a torpedo unless target is 4k tons or heavier. In taskforce it could be different - if by sinking DD I'd get a shot against BB, I will definetly give it a try.

However, I've read some books on war on Atlantic and I think engaging DD's by U-Boats isn't something normal and regular. Since I try to keep things historically real, I don't pursue DD's.

Paul Riley · 04-25-09, 07:11 AM

I think the only practical time to even contemplate attacking warships would be,
1 - the warship has already spotted you and is heading in your direction.If you could quickly prepare a magnetic shot as he closes on you and hit him that could actually be safer than trying to evade his DC attacks.This tactic should be used sparingly for obvious reasons,you dont have an infinite supply of torpedoes.

2 - I reckon a task force could be just as valuable as a convoy,possibly containing a prized ship or two,such as a famous battleship?.I think historically speaking,if just one battleship was out of action it would have seriously weakened the allied presence at sea,and also reduce the chances of German forces being heavily shelled from the sea by such vessels.Actually,I think naval bombardment against land based forces did in fact happen quite a lot,especially during D-Day.

Other than that its probably pointless and too risky to target just a single warship,as strangling the cargo,oil,troop supplies,ammo etc was the German's main priority.Sinking 11.000 tonnes of oil or a large troopship is far more rewarding

, sad for the troops onboard though

I think the Japanese were very fond of using their subs to engage warships,instead of American cargo.Their subs were built for it,and i've even seen footage on the history channel of Japanese sub aircraft carriers,able to operate just like a sub but with 3 enclosed aircraft capsules,to launch planes from their deck!

Jimbuna · 04-25-09, 07:14 AM

Not normally....but usually only for reasons of self defence.

Cargo vessels should be the primary objective.

Leg · 04-25-09, 07:18 AM

Excellent; right as I thought!

mookiemookie · 04-25-09, 07:38 AM

I don't go for single DD's. If I miss, they come looking for me! The exception is in self defense. I've put a couple down that were coming after me.

They're not worth it, tonnage, renown, or importance-wise.

Brag · 04-25-09, 07:38 AM

Out of perverse and deep dislike of escorts, I will attack them when they are unaware of my presence and traveling by themselves

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Kapt Z · 04-25-09, 02:07 PM

Destroyers traveling alone are usually the ONLY ones I do attack. In all my careers I've come across them maybe 10 times. Took a shot around 6 times. Sunk 4. Even the ones I missed never knew I was there.

I've always concentrated on merchants(never seen a task force

), but under the right conditions I will consider anything that comes in range.

Kpt. Lehmann · 04-25-09, 03:48 PM

ENGAGING DD's?!?!?!

Tis a waste of der Fatherland's torpedoes!!!

BdU sends you forth to strangle the allies means of refueling, rearming, and resupplying.... NOT to mess about with the tin cans that drop ash cans!

For every DD you sink... another load of foot powder and toilet paper finds its way to the BOOTS and BUTTS of THE ENEMY!!!

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Even his greatness... Balz the Magnificent... cannot make up for all that lost hoochie woochie!

Be more aggressive! You MUST deny the enemy ALL ability to have healthy feet and clean bottoms!!!

Jimbuna · 04-25-09, 04:34 PM

LMAO :rotfl:

Task Force · 04-25-09, 04:46 PM

Ive sunk about 15 dds in my 22 patrols.

Shadowblade · 04-26-09, 07:54 AM

yes, but only when:

1) sinking the DD will give me chance to safely attack valuable cargo ships
2) my sub is under attack and I have chance to disable attacking DD (to reduce the number of enemy hunters)

Capt.Warner · 05-04-09, 10:20 PM

I don't attack alone DDs because most of the time I miss and if i do its a waste of torpedoes.I like to conserve my torpedoes for convoys but if im attacking a convoy and see a DD nearby with a good chance of hitting ill go for it.

bookworm_020 · 05-05-09, 12:51 AM

If it's a lone escort with a convoy early in the war, yes I'd sink it.

If it's detected you, and come straight at you, yes I'd sink it

If it's the only thing I've seen after weeks on end and it's dumb enough to steam in front of torpedo tubes, yes I'd sink it.

If it's part of a hunter killer group or convoy, and it hasn't detected me, no I wouldn't.

04-25-09, 06:19 AM	#1
Leg Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 140 Downloads: 237 Uploads: 0	Do you attack single DD? Untill now I've sunk DD only for self defence. When your sonarman or you watch spot a single DD, do you attack it or let it go? Same also in small convoys with 2\3 ships and a DD or or taskforces. Is it worth to sink them or you just focus on merchant ships and convoys?

04-25-09, 07:11 AM	#3
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I think the only practical time to even contemplate attacking warships would be, 1 - the warship has already spotted you and is heading in your direction.If you could quickly prepare a magnetic shot as he closes on you and hit him that could actually be safer than trying to evade his DC attacks.This tactic should be used sparingly for obvious reasons,you dont have an infinite supply of torpedoes. 2 - I reckon a task force could be just as valuable as a convoy,possibly containing a prized ship or two,such as a famous battleship?.I think historically speaking,if just one battleship was out of action it would have seriously weakened the allied presence at sea,and also reduce the chances of German forces being heavily shelled from the sea by such vessels.Actually,I think naval bombardment against land based forces did in fact happen quite a lot,especially during D-Day. Other than that its probably pointless and too risky to target just a single warship,as strangling the cargo,oil,troop supplies,ammo etc was the German's main priority.Sinking 11.000 tonnes of oil or a large troopship is far more rewarding , sad for the troops onboard though I think the Japanese were very fond of using their subs to engage warships,instead of American cargo.Their subs were built for it,and i've even seen footage on the history channel of Japanese sub aircraft carriers,able to operate just like a sub but with 3 enclosed aircraft capsules,to launch planes from their deck! __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes Last edited by Paul Riley; 04-25-09 at 07:22 AM.

04-25-09, 07:14 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not normally....but usually only for reasons of self defence. Cargo vessels should be the primary objective. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-25-09, 07:38 AM	#6
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I don't go for single DD's. If I miss, they come looking for me! The exception is in self defense. I've put a couple down that were coming after me. They're not worth it, tonnage, renown, or importance-wise. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

04-25-09, 07:38 AM	#7
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Out of perverse and deep dislike of escorts, I will attack them when they are unaware of my presence and traveling by themselves . __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

04-25-09, 06:43 AM	#2
Kubryk Bosun Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 66 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	I don't engage single DD's. I go for tonnage, I don't fire a torpedo unless target is 4k tons or heavier. In taskforce it could be different - if by sinking DD I'd get a shot against BB, I will definetly give it a try. However, I've read some books on war on Atlantic and I think engaging DD's by U-Boats isn't something normal and regular. Since I try to keep things historically real, I don't pursue DD's.

04-25-09, 07:18 AM	#5
Leg Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 140 Downloads: 237 Uploads: 0	Excellent; right as I thought!

04-25-09, 02:07 PM	#8
Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	Destroyers traveling alone are usually the ONLY ones I do attack. In all my careers I've come across them maybe 10 times. Took a shot around 6 times. Sunk 4. Even the ones I missed never knew I was there. I've always concentrated on merchants(never seen a task force), but under the right conditions I will consider anything that comes in range.

04-25-09, 03:48 PM	#9
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,995 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	ENGAGING DD's?!?!?! Tis a waste of der Fatherland's torpedoes!!! BdU sends you forth to strangle the allies means of refueling, rearming, and resupplying.... NOT to mess about with the tin cans that drop ash cans! For every DD you sink... another load of foot powder and toilet paper finds its way to the BOOTS and BUTTS of THE ENEMY!!! You should be ashamed of yourselves. Even his greatness... Balz the Magnificent... cannot make up for all that lost hoochie woochie! Be more aggressive! You MUST deny the enemy ALL ability to have healthy feet and clean bottoms!!! __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

04-25-09, 04:34 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	LMAO :rotfl: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-25-09, 04:46 PM	#11
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Ive sunk about 15 dds in my 22 patrols. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

04-26-09, 07:54 AM	#12
Shadowblade Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 708 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	yes, but only when: 1) sinking the DD will give me chance to safely attack valuable cargo ships 2) my sub is under attack and I have chance to disable attacking DD (to reduce the number of enemy hunters) __________________ Kapitänleutnant Vlad von Carstein - U-Flotilla Saltzwedel - U-123, Type IXB SH3 GWX 3.0

05-04-09, 10:20 PM	#13
Capt.Warner Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 262 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	I don't attack alone DDs because most of the time I miss and if i do its a waste of torpedoes.I like to conserve my torpedoes for convoys but if im attacking a convoy and see a DD nearby with a good chance of hitting ill go for it. __________________

05-05-09, 12:51 AM	#14
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If it's a lone escort with a convoy early in the war, yes I'd sink it. If it's detected you, and come straight at you, yes I'd sink it If it's the only thing I've seen after weeks on end and it's dumb enough to steam in front of torpedo tubes, yes I'd sink it. If it's part of a hunter killer group or convoy, and it hasn't detected me, no I wouldn't. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"