PirateBay Founders Jailed

danlisa · 04-17-09, 07:22 AM

So, providing an index service is a violation of Copyright is it?

I sense the deep pockets of the Entertainment Industry here.

Dowly · 04-17-09, 07:33 AM

They were decided to be quilty long before the trial. We'll see how the ruling changes when they appeal to higher courts.

GlobalExplorer · 04-17-09, 07:42 AM

So the swedish state has finally given in. Jail for providing infrastructure that is very much similar to google.

In other news: Obama will not prosecute torturers.

Depressing. I just hope they win in a higher court. In also hope there will be a new boost to pirate parties world wide, generation X has been apolitical for far too long.

danlisa · 04-17-09, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

I just hope they win in a higher court. In also hope there will be a new boost to pirate parties world wide, generation X has been apolitical for far too long.

For every one that gets taken down, 2 more arise.

The interweb is too large to police effectively.

XabbaRus · 04-17-09, 07:51 AM

That's the thing but with a name like pirate bay I think that is a fair assupmtion.

04-17-09, 09:22 AM

Next up to be jailed: Google owners for enabling copy protection violation, allowing minors to access porn and a whole host of other illegal activities.

XabbaRus · 04-17-09, 07:36 AM

But they were facilitating piracy by indexing links to copyrighted material.

In that way it is no different to people putting links to cracked software here and Neal doing nothing about it.

I don't deny that copyright law has to be reformed but with this case it seems that there was intent and they knew it was copyrighted material.

Now I see the telegraph guy was asking if google for example could be held liable if an internet search provided a return which was a link to illeagly hosted copyright material. I think that is disningeous as the google search is largely automatic so it won't know if the material is legit or not. With pirate bay there was definitely knowledge it was illegal.

danlisa · 04-17-09, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Now I see the telegraph guy was asking if google for example could be held liable if an internet search provided a return which was a link to illeagly hosted copyright material. I think that is disingenuous as the google search is largely automatic so it won't know if the material is legit or not. With pirate bay there was definitely knowledge it was illegal.

It's hard to call TBH.

Yes, the majority of indexed links on PriateBay are illegally distributed items however, P2P sites such as these were initially created to share user created/un-copyrighted material. Not all torrents are illegal.

Also, yes I concede that they probably did initially create TPB to share illegal files but that's a hard thing to prove in court. I think a modicum of assumption has been applied to this case. That's not correct for a profile of this size.

NeonSamurai · 04-17-09, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

Read Here

So, providing an index service is a violation of Copyright is it?

I sense the deep pockets of the Entertainment Industry here.

Uhh the pirate bay is a bit more then a indexing service, they also provide the trackers themselves, and that is a key difference.

Now if they only offered the torrent files with out tracking services that would be a different story.

As for copyright i think it needs some major reforms myself, like the expirey period.

porphy · 04-17-09, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Uhh the pirate bay is a bit more then a indexing service, they also provide the trackers themselves, and that is a key difference.

Now if they only offered the torrent files with out tracking services that would be a different story.

As for copyright i think it needs some major reforms myself, like the expirey period.

True, but if I remember the trial correctly they never managed to show that the files they had downloaded as evidence actually were fully tracked through The Pirate Bay. If I understand the thing right, the torrent file can and do often contain more than one tracker. So in theory, you can download a torrent file from one site,say The pirate Bay, but the tracker used is provided elsewhere or even from more than one place?

Aramike · 04-17-09, 12:22 PM

Erm, wasn't it called PIRATEBAY?

GlobalExplorer · 04-17-09, 12:51 PM

But you can't be sentenced for the name, otherwise quite a few Rock Bands would be in jail too.

Aramike · 04-17-09, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

But you can't be sentenced for the name, otherwise quite a few Rock Bands would be in jail too.

No, but if the name describes the activity it's called evidence.

Stealth Hunter · 04-17-09, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Erm, wasn't it called PIRATEBAY?

Yeah. What's your point?

Aramike · 04-17-09, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Yeah. What's your point?

Umm, my point was (which everyone else seemed to be able to get) that it was a site clearly promoting copyright piracy.

What these fools were attempting to do is use the letter of the law to skirt the intent of the law. Glad it didn't work.

In any case, what if they opened up a website called "crackbay.com" and let others distribute crack cocaine via that site? Would that be okay too, because, hey - they aren't the ones actually distributing the drug?

04-17-09, 07:22 AM	#1
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	PirateBay Founders Jailed Read Here So, providing an index service is a violation of Copyright is it? I sense the deep pockets of the Entertainment Industry here. __________________

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GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	So the swedish state has finally given in. Jail for providing infrastructure that is very much similar to google. In other news: Obama will not prosecute torturers. Depressing. I just hope they win in a higher court. In also hope there will be a new boost to pirate parties world wide, generation X has been apolitical for far too long. __________________

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	That's the thing but with a name like pirate bay I think that is a fair assupmtion. __________________

04-17-09, 07:36 AM	#7
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	But they were facilitating piracy by indexing links to copyrighted material. In that way it is no different to people putting links to cracked software here and Neal doing nothing about it. I don't deny that copyright law has to be reformed but with this case it seems that there was intent and they knew it was copyrighted material. Now I see the telegraph guy was asking if google for example could be held liable if an internet search provided a return which was a link to illeagly hosted copyright material. I think that is disningeous as the google search is largely automatic so it won't know if the material is legit or not. With pirate bay there was definitely knowledge it was illegal. __________________

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GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	But you can't be sentenced for the name, otherwise quite a few Rock Bands would be in jail too. __________________

04-17-09, 07:33 AM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	They were decided to be quilty long before the trial. We'll see how the ruling changes when they appeal to higher courts.

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Rilder Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Next up to be jailed: Google owners for enabling copy protection violation, allowing minors to access porn and a whole host of other illegal activities.

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Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Erm, wasn't it called PIRATEBAY?