Just curious

GoldenRivet · 02-23-09, 12:50 PM

at what point in time will WE as United States Citizens stand up and say "enough is enough"?

i mean at some point that has to happen right?

so what is the line in the sand for you?

Congress has like a 2% approval rating, almost everything we want them to do they dont... and almost everything we tell them NOT to do they DO.

The big US Government is getting to be a real fiasco.

little is being done to protect your freedoms and rights any more, your citizenship is almost without value, as illegal immigrants are almost untouched by the law.

the list goes on and on

so like i said... where is the line in the sand for you?

SteamWake · 02-23-09, 01:03 PM

I'm afraid its sort of out or hands ... for now.

We kep the same clowns or select new ones to legislate for us for whatever reason.

Maybe in the next 4 years the public at large may wake up and realize what is going on but not untill it effects them in some negative way.

In the meantime the march towards socialisim continues.

Biggles · 02-23-09, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

In the meantime the march towards socialisim continues.

Everything's relative...some would say that it's a good thing...

nikimcbee · 02-23-09, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

at what point in time will WE as United States Citizens stand up and say "enough is enough"?

i mean at some point that has to happen right?

so what is the line in the sand for you?

Congress has like a 2% approval rating, almost everything we want them to do they dont... and almost everything we tell them NOT to do they DO.

The big US Government is getting to be a real fiasco.

little is being done to protect your freedoms and rights any more, your citizenship is almost without value, as illegal immigrants are almost untouched by the law.

the list goes on and on

so like i said... where is the line in the sand for you?

I did my part, voted and lost.

I am not happy with our current crop of politians (both parties).

On a side note, I just started reading "Battle Cry of Freedom." The issues our country had back in the 1840s~50's sound very similar

to today.

AVGWarhawk · 02-23-09, 01:26 PM

The line is supposed to get drawn during elections. Apparently,we some forgot what to draw.

Oberon · 02-23-09, 01:34 PM

I've been pondering that in the UK for some time.

The gains made by the BNP in recent years is quite a concern too.

Digital_Trucker · 02-23-09, 04:25 PM

They've already crossed the line in the sand as far as I am concerned. But being just one person, there's not a lot I can do until there are enough of us to push them back across the line (which, according to Al Gore, will be underwater due to global warming by the time we start pushing them).

That reminds me of an excellent joke:

What do you call a thousand politicians at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start

Fr8monkey · 02-23-09, 04:32 PM

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

Platapus · 02-23-09, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Congress has like a 2% approval rating,

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be difficult for any person to accurately and objectively assign one "rating" to 535 completely different people.

When the re-election rate gets down to single digits, then I will believe that congress truly has a low approval rating.

With a re-election rate over 90% ( on average) it appears that citizens are quite happy with their representatives.

SteamWake · 02-23-09, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be

Thats the point I was trying to make.

The problem is that the american public at large are un-informed, ignorant, and wanton... yes wanton... hand out.

If we could get more people whom carried the water instead of drinking it.

Platapus · 02-23-09, 10:22 PM

Well no where in the Constitution does it state that a citizen can't be Ignorant, Ill informed or Wanton.

If it did, our citizen population would sure take a hit.

GoldenRivet · 02-24-09, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Congress has like a 2% approval rating,

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be difficult for any person to accurately and objectively assign one "rating" to 535 completely different people.

When the re-election rate gets down to single digits, then I will believe that congress truly has a low approval rating.

With a re-election rate over 90% ( on average) it appears that citizens are quite happy with their representatives.

you wanna know WHY they get re-elected 90% of the time?

because your average joe Democrat and your average joe Republican walk up to the voting maching and punch "Straight republican" or "Straight democrat"

and thus... their fate is sealed.

and a good number of them dont have a fuc*ing clue who they just voted for.

one would be a fool if they didnt agree with the following statements...

1. "most voters dont follow politics closely"

2. "most voters dont want to see things change too much"

3. "most voters are not truly educated on the issues at hand"

that sir is a fact

and it is the reason you see so many re-election numbers.

think about that next time you go and stamp "straight democrat" or "straight republican" - do you really know how your congress person voted on the issues? does the person next to you know?

Kapt Z · 02-23-09, 10:26 PM

Well, we could reinstate the draft....

For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.

Aramike · 02-24-09, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

Well, we could reinstate the draft....

For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.

Ouch. I'd rather not dilute our armed forces with malcontents...

Platapus · 02-24-09, 06:11 PM

GoldenRivit, I would have a hard time disagreeing with what you posted.

02-23-09, 12:50 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Just curious at what point in time will WE as United States Citizens stand up and say "enough is enough"? i mean at some point that has to happen right? so what is the line in the sand for you? Congress has like a 2% approval rating, almost everything we want them to do they dont... and almost everything we tell them NOT to do they DO. The big US Government is getting to be a real fiasco. little is being done to protect your freedoms and rights any more, your citizenship is almost without value, as illegal immigrants are almost untouched by the law. the list goes on and on so like i said... where is the line in the sand for you? __________________

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,277 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The line is supposed to get drawn during elections. Apparently,we some forgot what to draw. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	They've already crossed the line in the sand as far as I am concerned. But being just one person, there's not a lot I can do until there are enough of us to push them back across the line (which, according to Al Gore, will be underwater due to global warming by the time we start pushing them). That reminds me of an excellent joke: What do you call a thousand politicians at the bottom of the ocean? A good start __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

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Fr8monkey Captain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 518 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess. __________________ NASA's budget in 2011... $19 billion. Result: Hi-resolution images from 127 million miles away. AT&T's budget in 2011... $20 billion. Result: Still can't get any signal from my bathroom.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,381 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Well no where in the Constitution does it state that a citizen can't be Ignorant, Ill informed or Wanton. If it did, our citizen population would sure take a hit. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I'm afraid its sort of out or hands ... for now. We kep the same clowns or select new ones to legislate for us for whatever reason. Maybe in the next 4 years the public at large may wake up and realize what is going on but not untill it effects them in some negative way. In the meantime the march towards socialisim continues.

02-23-09, 01:34 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I've been pondering that in the UK for some time. The gains made by the BNP in recent years is quite a concern too.

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Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	Well, we could reinstate the draft.... For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,381 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	GoldenRivit, I would have a hard time disagreeing with what you posted. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.