Humour or blasphemy

[Carotio]

Personally, I think it's a little bit funny, but some people don't (the holy ones...)

About the artist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Kippenberger

About the story:
http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=7343

What it's all about:

[antikristuseke]

Personaly I concider the concept of blasphemy ridiculous, but that being said, that piece seems tasteless to me.

[Skybird]

Blasphemy means that some religious zealots take it upon them to decide in place of their god when their deity shold feel offended - according to their tiny, mortal opinion. That says it all!

I consider the pic to be - unimportant in every meaning. And wether "religious people" are offended by it or not I don't give a penny for. That said the Christian obession with crucification is an absurd thing to me, and thus a rightful target for satire or mockery.

[UnderseaLcpl]

The only blasphemy I see here is against good art.

[cj95]

Tasteless is the right word for it. Some people who claim they are 'artists' think that coming up with new ways to offend a segment of the population makes you 'edgey' or whatever.

Its just dumb, and not very creative.

<sarcasm>Oh I get it....you made fun of Christians by mocking a crucifix...oh...thats never been done before......idiot.<sarcasm>

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That said the Christian obession with crucification is an absurd thing to me, and thus a rightful target for satire or mockery.

I'm pretty sure "religious people" feel the same about you

'Tis still bad "art" no matter why you don't like it.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Please someone define "bad art" and "good art" for me

Bad art = an opinion while good art = an opinion, therefore bad art = good art

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Bad art = an opinion while good art = an opinion, therefore bad art = good art

It reminds me about another "piece of art" once shown in Denmark by an Italian guy living here.
He put ten blenders on ten tables, poured water in them and put a fish in each of them. All the medias called them gold fish, but they were actually red swordtail:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_swordtail
The tricky part of the story was that he plugged them to the electrical network, so anyone switching on one of the blenders would instantly kill the fish. And you can guess what happened. Some smart @$$ just had to try...

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Bad art = an opinion while good art = an opinion, therefore bad art = good art

For someone to define the above piece as good art, I'd suspect they probably live in a trailer park and lack an education.

-S

PS. From the 1963 communist agenda for America:

22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.



23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Seems they are succeeding. This falls under the ugliness and repulsive section.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Please someone define "bad art" and "good art" for me

If it needs an explanation it's bad art.


One of my pet peeves is when artists have to explain their work before it makes any kind of sense. Most modern art falls into this category.
Seriously, a circle on an otherwise blank canvas is just a circle, not art.
A canvas that is just randomly spattered with paint is not art, it's just a mess.

Am I a phillistine? Some would say so, but I think art should invoke an emotional response in the viewer( not disgust or bewilderment) , or should strike them as beautiful.

I always get the image that modern artists are like 3 year olds, running up to the public, holding up their latest drawing and saying "Look what I did!"

"That's nice.....it's a....a...."

"It's a house! Can't you tell?"

[DeepIron]

Am I a phillistine? Some would say so, but I think art should invoke an emotional response in the viewer( not disgust or bewilderment) , or should strike them as beautiful.

Some "art" makes me want to puke... pretty visceral response. Does that count?

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

If it needs an explanation it's bad art.


One of my pet peeves is when artists have to explain their work before it makes any kind of sense. Most modern art falls into this category.
Seriously, a circle on an otherwise blank canvas is just a circle, not art.
A canvas that is just randomly spattered with paint is not art, it's just a mess.

Am I a phillistine? Some would say so, but I think art should invoke an emotional response in the viewer( not disgust or bewilderment) , or should strike them as beautiful.

I always get the image that modern artists are like 3 year olds, running up to the public, holding up their latest drawing and saying "Look what I did!"

"That's nice.....it's a....a...."

"It's a house! Can't you tell?"

Pretty much sums my wiews also.
Someone used blenders in Finland also, they were filled with urine, feces, blood and sperm, they werent completely sealed so some flew on the visitors. People that do this kind of "art" should seek professional help, there has to be underlying mental issues. "Intelligent" people should wonder why they are so far from the norm, is it because they are superior to the masses, or maybe its themself with some trauma.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I think art is about the artist, not about the viewer, it's a form of expression. I'm always wary of people saying "art should be this and not that".

If the artist has to explain his expression is different from a Pre-Schooler, it expresses something alright.

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

:rotfl:

I thought it was funny, lol.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I think art is about the artist, not about the viewer, it's a form of expression. I'm always wary of people saying "art should be this and not that".

Right , there is no bad or good art, just art. Art from artist.

You can dislike it if you want.