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View Poll Results: Should females be allowed in the millitary?
Allowed in, but not in combat 9 20.45%
Allowed in everything including comboat 34 77.27%
Not allowed in the millitary 1 2.27%
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Old 05-05-08, 05:33 AM   #1
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Well should they be allowed in, but just not in combat areas, or not at all?
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Old 05-06-08, 03:25 PM   #2
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Well should they be allowed in, but just not in combat areas, or not at all?
Why not ? We have girls who serve in special comando forces for example and they are good fighters, belive me i saw them in action (and no its not what you thinking damn pervets ) and you would not mess with them .

I have (at least i hope i have) a picture in my computer were young Israel girl hold a heavy machine gun
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Old 05-06-08, 05:17 PM   #3
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Well should they be allowed in, but just not in combat areas, or not at all?
Why not ? We have girls who serve in special comando forces for example and they are good fighters, belive me i saw them in action (and no its not what you thinking damn pervets ) and you would not mess with them .
Can you tell what unit? This is the first ive heard of this.
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Old 05-06-08, 06:12 PM   #4
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Can you tell what unit? This is the first ive heard of this.
I don`t know the exact names of unit for girls, therefore i belive that its mix up with boys. However i can tall what i know, when i resived my traning (wich is something like 2 month) i was witness that groups of girls are training the same way. How to shoot, throw greenades and etc... In thise period you don`t know where the army will send you affter the traning was complited. So thats the main reason why i can`t answer to you direct .

Try to search in google if you have free time, i belive you can find there more about it
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Old 05-06-08, 06:20 PM   #5
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Women are already there, but if you "allow" them equal status how can you exempt them if a draft were instated?

Be careful where you tread. Do you want your daughters or granddaughters to be drafted?

I do not.
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Old 05-06-08, 06:24 PM   #6
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In Israel you will be drafted anyway. The question is to were .
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Old 05-06-08, 08:57 PM   #7
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Be careful where you tread. Do you want your daughters or granddaughters to be drafted?

I do not.
I don't want my son or grandson drafted. But if that duty is required, I hope they would do their duty. But in no way would I "want" this for any of my children regardless of sex.
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Old 05-06-08, 07:01 PM   #8
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Can you tell what unit? This is the first ive heard of this.
I don`t know the exact names of unit for girls, therefore i belive that its mix up with boys. However i can tall what i know, when i resived my traning (wich is something like 2 month) i was witness that groups of girls are training the same way. How to shoot, throw greenades and etc... In thise period you don`t know where the army will send you affter the traning was complited. So thats the main reason why i can`t answer to you direct .

Try to search in google if you have free time, i belive you can find there more about it
There is the mixed unit Caracal Battalion but you spoke of "Commando units", are you talking about Sayeret units? Im sure Yamam, Shin Beth or Aman could use women in the field somehow, but as operators, im not sure.
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Old 05-07-08, 04:19 AM   #9
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Can you tell what unit? This is the first ive heard of this.
I don`t know the exact names of unit for girls, therefore i belive that its mix up with boys. However i can tall what i know, when i resived my traning (wich is something like 2 month) i was witness that groups of girls are training the same way. How to shoot, throw greenades and etc... In thise period you don`t know where the army will send you affter the traning was complited. So thats the main reason why i can`t answer to you direct .

Try to search in google if you have free time, i belive you can find there more about it
There is the mixed unit Caracal Battalion but you spoke of "Commando units", are you talking about Sayeret units? Im sure Yamam, Shin Beth or Aman could use women in the field somehow, but as operators, im not sure.
I`am sorry, i just didn`t use a proper word. English is not one of my strongest sides . But the buttom line is that girls serve in army and they are fight just like man.
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Old 05-05-08, 06:00 AM   #10
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The daughtor of a friend of mine serves in combat with the RAF. she has been on
deployment twice and seen action as the gunner on a helicopter; the same job her
farther had in the RAF in Vietnam. (I didn't know the RAF was in 'nam either!).

Tell her se can't do her job?
I like the way my bones are all internal and my jaw connects to my face too much to do that.

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Old 05-05-08, 06:10 AM   #11
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Last time this came up for review in the UK (where there is a ban on front-line fighting for women, but not on combat):

"Mr Hoon said the key issue was not whether women could cope physically, but how their presence affected the cohesion of teams in "high intensity close combat"
"To admit women therefore, would involve a risk without any offsetting gains in terms of combat effectiveness.""

"As part of the review, field exercises were conducted with about 50 men and women soldiers.
Although mixed teams performed no differently from single-sex teams, officials said the tests did not adequately replicate the stress of actual combat."


I'm with Germany on this one. If all applicants are up to standard and there is no
effect on performance, then by all means, let everyone fight and kill. If some guys
can't "cohese" with women then that is their problem. This isn't the Scared Band ffs!
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As long as they aren't forced to serve and choose it voluntarily I don't see any reason to deny them something that men are allowed to do.
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Old 05-05-08, 07:09 AM   #13
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If they can do the job then fine ,Russians already proved that in ww2.
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Old 05-05-08, 12:40 PM   #14
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As long as they aren't forced to serve and choose it voluntarily I don't see any reason to deny them something that men are allowed to do.
I second that.
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Old 05-05-08, 01:04 PM   #15
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As long as we pretend to live in an inclusive, democratic society how can one reasonably exclude fully 50% (slightly greater than 50% in most regions) of the population from the responsibility of actively defending it?
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