IV not as good as III ?

[Udi Hrant]

I am a busy guy but - I got so emmersed in SHIII that I thought I would invest my time and start up the install/tweak/learning curve for SHIV.

With SHII and Grey Wolves this process went pretty smoothly and I was quickly happy with the game experience.

I'm actually having a harder time getting SHIV to run with good looking graphics etc... Also I'm not sure if I'm as happy with the interface and targeting tools.

Is it possible (I have read posts to this end..) that SHIV is not as complete or accomplished a simulation as III and that I should stop waisting my time?

I would appreciate any pro or con opinions on this before I give up or dig in deeper...

[Wilcke]

Please, dig deeper, the US Navy Submarine war against the Japanese is a complex and multi-dimensional story. There are many great books on the subject. SH4 has come a long way since its release and also deserves long study.

The Fleet Boat brought about technology to the war that is simply amazing for the time, if not for the torpedo problems its deadliness would have been ten-fold in tonnage.

So do a lot of reading, try out the mods there are many (more reading) and go on lots of patrols and see what you think of the Pacific. I did run SHIII for quite a time but now the Pacific has really put the hook into me...

Enjoy and Happy Hunting!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nicely said Wilke

@ Udi Hrantebe: sure to also check out the link under Wilke's sig, it is a good one.
SH4 does have a different look, as it should, it is a different game. Also there is a wealth of other great information in older threads, the search option is your friend

Good luck with it


RDP

[DeepIron]

s it possible (I have read posts to this end..) that SHIV is not as complete or accomplished a simulation as III and that I should stop waisting my time?

AND... this "comparison" has started more than one "heated discussion" so it's hard to say "yes or no" without potentially starting a ruckus...

Wasted Time?

Not in my book. I was deeply into the Atlantic in U-47 sailing 16 full missions on a very high level. This was all done in SH-III up to and including the GWX era. But i abandoned SH-III from SH-4's start off and have never looked back.

Because SH-4 is better - no

But because there simply is so much real reading stuff to get your self into and thus the imertion of being a skipper of one of the fleet boats are imo more easy.

I allso fancy the idea of having to seek out a single target along some very well known passages, islands etc. then continously attacking big convoys in the middle of the atlantic.

If we are talking realism as in targeting, tactics etc. i think both sims are on par, at least if you do it the "right" way.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

...besides SH4 looks better graphically than SH3. The Environmental Mods made it even better looking. SH3 was a great sub sim for its time but has become outdated.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

AND... this "comparison" has started more than one "heated discussion" so it's hard to say "yes or no" without potentially starting a ruckus...

There can be no comparison. SH3 has had years to be surgically improved, yet SH4 is only a baby. A very mature baby, though, and getting better every day. Personally, I enjoy seeing it all grow up (and go through the growing pains). It's worth it to keep investigating and follow all the progress as it happens.

I think they are both awesome because let's face it, you either play submarine games or you don't. I play both. Sometimes in the same day. It depends on my mood. SH3 with GWX is amazing. SH4 is amazing.

[Rockin Robbins]

By all means play the game you enjoy and avoid "waisting" your time. Waisting, by the way, is related to your diet and Ubi bears (I'm tempted to say "bares") no responsibility for that!:rotfl:

Any report that SHIII is an old worn-out game is premature. It retains its full appeal to this day. I hope SH4 ages as well.

[Sailor Steve]

This may sound strange coming from someone who has yet to even play SH4, but I think it won't be long before I'm done with SH3.

Originally Posted by Udi Hrant

With SHII and Grey Wolves this process went pretty smoothly and I was quickly happy with the game experience.

I take it from the reference to Grey Wolves that you're fairly new to subsims, or at least to these two? As has been pointed out, GWX is the end result of years of patient testing, years that SH4 hasn't had time to work through. And, as has also been pointed out, that working through is well under way.

I'll be dropping SH3 because SH4 is obviously the better platform. I just finished watching all the U-Boat Add-On videos, and just the interiors of the subs, and the crews, are much more life-like, both in appearance and animation. Just eye candy for some; deep immersion for others. Also, new mods are still being developed for SH3, but some of them are based on SH4 technology, or SH4 ideas, and others, such as the Kiel Locks, are being done for both, anticipating the move to SH4 entirely.

As for the interface: on the one hand, we get used to one and a new one seems odd. On the other, it has been well proven that interfaces are fairly easy to change (well, at least for some folks). I think it's only a matter of time before we see both reduced interfaces (FLB Sales's Simfeeling Mod) and increased interfaces (OLC's GUI) in SH4.

I would guess that before we know it we'll be talking about SH3 as what we used to play, and SH4 will have everything SH3 has and more; it will be the best ever, at least until the next even better development comes along, which makes even it look old.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Right now I'm too busy teaching El Ducimo how to be sarcastic (yeah, check the spelling, Duci).:rotfl:

The only thing going for SH3 is the gameplay. Graphics, as mentioned before, is getting old.

Dowly you da man! I really dig Mr. Bean!

[Captain Vlad]

As much as I loved SH3...she was the girl you dated before you got back with the one you really wanted to marry, at least for me. Maybe it's playing my 'own side'. Maybe it's the fact that I just think fleet boats were the most bad-ass of WWII subs. Maybe I like the blue Pacific better than the grey Atlantic. Whatever the reasons, SH4 just speaks to me more than the #3.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

Dowly you da man! I really dig Mr. Bean!

Who wouldnt like British comedy? I absolutely love it! Tho, the newest Mr.Bean movie wasnt that good, but still Bean rocks!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Who wouldnt like British comedy? I absolutely love it! Tho, the newest Mr.Bean movie wasnt that good, but still Bean rocks!

Benny Hill is da man when it comes to comedy.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Yes Benny Hill! I used to watch him with all the erm, pretty girls he had on set. He taught me how to be a dirty old man.:rotfl:I rather UK comedies than the US ones. You can't beat dry humour. Mr. Bean, The Benny Hill Show, Are You Being Served, Yes, Prime Minister, 'Allo, 'Allo, Love Thy Neighbour..all classic stuff. Sorry for going off topic.