Big dog - science fiction becomes reality

GlobalExplorer · 03-20-08, 06:14 PM

I think everyone's gotta see this:

I think everyone who has seen the big dog videos will agree that they have more or less done it. This machine moves like a normal animal. It might actually have a better balance than most of them.

At the end of last century there was a general agreement that artificial intelligence is going nowhere. Now, just a couple of years later it looks like we are going to see robots with about the intelligence / motoric of animals in our lifetime. I am amazed.

What surprises me is how frightening this is. It's creepy. I can only imagine what it will be like to see one day a computer talk / behave like a human.

And lets not forget this comes with a lot of real danger for humanity. I guess it's time to read Asimov again - what was science fiction yesterday might become important very soon.

Here is another video of similar robots:

Different, but still strange:

mrbeast · 03-20-08, 06:29 PM

Yep, freaks me out too!

Blacklight · 03-20-08, 06:51 PM

Imagine weapons mounted on that thing. You're in your little trench when suddenly you hear that familiar "BuzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZZ"... LOTS of buzz's coming from diferent directions....

I'd pretty much soil myself.

I wonder if those people who work with the machine hear that buzzing noise in their sleep at night.

AVGWarhawk · 03-20-08, 06:57 PM

Very strange contraption indeed. Interesting how it handles the balance to stay upright.

Blacklight · 03-20-08, 07:04 PM

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Very strange contraption indeed. Interesting how it handles the balance to stay upright.

Ahh.. the wonder of gyroscopes and processing power. I'm just imagining improved models running rampant, armored, and armed on the battlefield.

Dowly · 03-20-08, 07:09 PM

That's amazing! Moves VERY realisticly in situations where it is about to lose balance. Now, I can finally get a robot to bring me my beer instead of having to walk to the fridge.

CCIP · 03-20-08, 08:27 PM

Way, way, WAY in the Uncanny Valley, this thing

I don't want to look at it EVER again

StdDev · 03-26-08, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

That's amazing! Moves VERY realisticly in situations where it is about to lose balance. Now, I can finally get a robot to bring me my beer instead of having to walk to the fridge.

Johon on sinun aviovaimo? :p

Platapus · 03-21-08, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

. It's creepy. I can only imagine what it will be like to see one day a computer talk / behave like a human.

Never gonna happen. Computers are logical, methodological, dependable, consistent, non-belligerent, unemotional.

FIREWALL · 03-21-08, 05:25 AM

What a bunch of sissy's.

It's just a feck'in dog for christ's sake.

Btw nice find G. E.

HunterICX · 03-21-08, 06:06 AM

Seen it a while ago, still a amazing machine.

HunterICX

Letum · 03-26-08, 05:44 PM

Sorry for the necro-bump.....
New impressive update!
Big Dog Beta.

Dowly · 03-26-08, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Sorry for the necro-bump.....
New impressive update!
Big Dog Beta.

:p :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:: rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Skybird · 03-26-08, 06:29 PM

Okay, imperial AT-AT walkers are next.

Serious, it still is a machine without any intelligence at all. One component of intelligence is self-awareness, another is emotions, and one maybe should even add: playful behavior and curiosity. All this is lacking in this robo-thing. What it offers is technical surrogate mechanisms and sensors that replace neurological reflexes and signal-feedbacks, controlled by preprogrammed reaction schemes that include what man has put into them, and that'S it. I do not talk down this machine in it'S teczhncial achievement - but it is nothing more than a machine: no intelligence at all.

One could even argue about wether we have made even a first step towards something like artificial intelligence. I'd say: No, not at all. Of course it stands and falls with your definition of intelligence, and if you ask 100 psychologists, you will get 30-40 different answers, depending on the view and school the person in question is representing. Well, I pointed out some key components above, regarding what I think intelligence is made of. It is not a quality for itself, but the term for me is more a meta-label for a set of features and characteristics, like the category of "card-games" describe things like Poker, Bridge, Skat, and whatever there is.

Do not make the mistake of reducing human intelligence, or even that of higher animals, to the level of mechanical automatism with control software installed in machines. 15, 20 years ago, the fascination for the digital revolution made sciences comparing the brain and the mind to components a personal computer is constructed of. When I finished studying, they had moved on and neurologists and brain researchers have understood that this comparison holds no truth at all, and only limits neuro- and psychophysiological research by limiting the possible understanding of how mind and brain are functioning. In no way today'S understanding of brain's way of working compares to a computer at all, in no way. All scientific research as well as the knowledge constructed by it's findings is basing on paradigms. And if these paradigms are too tight, to small, too minimal, they hinder the understanding of any knowledge that is beyond these paradigms' set of possible perceptions, answers, and further developement.

In other words if you think of yurself as just a machine - sooner or later you will start to act like one, become as limited in your behavior and social intelligence. - Ooops - I just introduced another concept of intelligence this robodog is not showing.

Concenring Asimov and his robot rules, they are fiction only. We are close to field automatted defense cannons, we lauch remote controlled military drones which are operate fully autonomous soon. both do kill people, dirctly and indirectly. Or take military missile teczhnology, preprogrammed cruise missiles or air combat missiles that steer them selves once locked onto a target. - So "a robot shall never kill a human" is a moving memory of past times and the golden age of science fiction. Asimov'S law has no scientific, technological and/or realistc relevance at all - time already has moved beyond it.

Iceman · 03-26-08, 08:05 PM

Intelligence?

Mount multiple 360 cameras,speaker system,machine guns,ammo,nade launchers,flame throwers etc, and let the troops stay home here in the states and send entire battalions of these into Iraq....while we control, them from home....can you imagine a squad of these walking down a st. in Iraq or any country....I don't care what country,religion or whatever you are...you are going to crap your pants.

That is insane mobility/agility....they need not even worry about the sound of them...that would become a feared sound.

That is crazy.

03-20-08, 06:14 PM	#1
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Big dog - science fiction becomes reality I think everyone's gotta see this: I think everyone who has seen the big dog videos will agree that they have more or less done it. This machine moves like a normal animal. It might actually have a better balance than most of them. At the end of last century there was a general agreement that artificial intelligence is going nowhere. Now, just a couple of years later it looks like we are going to see robots with about the intelligence / motoric of animals in our lifetime. I am amazed. What surprises me is how frightening this is. It's creepy. I can only imagine what it will be like to see one day a computer talk / behave like a human. And lets not forget this comes with a lot of real danger for humanity. I guess it's time to read Asimov again - what was science fiction yesterday might become important very soon. Here is another video of similar robots: Different, but still strange: __________________ Last edited by GlobalExplorer; 03-27-08 at 06:08 PM.

03-20-08, 06:29 PM	#2
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yep, freaks me out too! __________________

03-20-08, 06:51 PM	#3
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Imagine weapons mounted on that thing. You're in your little trench when suddenly you hear that familiar "BuzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZZ"... LOTS of buzz's coming from diferent directions.... I'd pretty much soil myself. I wonder if those people who work with the machine hear that buzzing noise in their sleep at night. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

03-20-08, 06:57 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,291 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Very strange contraption indeed. Interesting how it handles the balance to stay upright. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-20-08, 08:27 PM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Way, way, WAY in the Uncanny Valley, this thing I don't want to look at it EVER again __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-20-08, 07:09 PM	#6
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	That's amazing! Moves VERY realisticly in situations where it is about to lose balance. Now, I can finally get a robot to bring me my beer instead of having to walk to the fridge.

03-21-08, 05:25 AM	#10
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	What a bunch of sissy's. It's just a feck'in dog for christ's sake. Btw nice find G. E. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

03-21-08, 06:06 AM	#11
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Seen it a while ago, still a amazing machine. HunterICX __________________

03-26-08, 05:44 PM	#12
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Sorry for the necro-bump..... New impressive update! Big Dog Beta. __________________

03-26-08, 06:29 PM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,712 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Okay, imperial AT-AT walkers are next. Serious, it still is a machine without any intelligence at all. One component of intelligence is self-awareness, another is emotions, and one maybe should even add: playful behavior and curiosity. All this is lacking in this robo-thing. What it offers is technical surrogate mechanisms and sensors that replace neurological reflexes and signal-feedbacks, controlled by preprogrammed reaction schemes that include what man has put into them, and that'S it. I do not talk down this machine in it'S teczhncial achievement - but it is nothing more than a machine: no intelligence at all. One could even argue about wether we have made even a first step towards something like artificial intelligence. I'd say: No, not at all. Of course it stands and falls with your definition of intelligence, and if you ask 100 psychologists, you will get 30-40 different answers, depending on the view and school the person in question is representing. Well, I pointed out some key components above, regarding what I think intelligence is made of. It is not a quality for itself, but the term for me is more a meta-label for a set of features and characteristics, like the category of "card-games" describe things like Poker, Bridge, Skat, and whatever there is. Do not make the mistake of reducing human intelligence, or even that of higher animals, to the level of mechanical automatism with control software installed in machines. 15, 20 years ago, the fascination for the digital revolution made sciences comparing the brain and the mind to components a personal computer is constructed of. When I finished studying, they had moved on and neurologists and brain researchers have understood that this comparison holds no truth at all, and only limits neuro- and psychophysiological research by limiting the possible understanding of how mind and brain are functioning. In no way today'S understanding of brain's way of working compares to a computer at all, in no way. All scientific research as well as the knowledge constructed by it's findings is basing on paradigms. And if these paradigms are too tight, to small, too minimal, they hinder the understanding of any knowledge that is beyond these paradigms' set of possible perceptions, answers, and further developement. In other words if you think of yurself as just a machine - sooner or later you will start to act like one, become as limited in your behavior and social intelligence. - Ooops - I just introduced another concept of intelligence this robodog is not showing. Concenring Asimov and his robot rules, they are fiction only. We are close to field automatted defense cannons, we lauch remote controlled military drones which are operate fully autonomous soon. both do kill people, dirctly and indirectly. Or take military missile teczhnology, preprogrammed cruise missiles or air combat missiles that steer them selves once locked onto a target. - So "a robot shall never kill a human" is a moving memory of past times and the golden age of science fiction. Asimov'S law has no scientific, technological and/or realistc relevance at all - time already has moved beyond it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-26-08, 08:05 PM	#15
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Intelligence? Mount multiple 360 cameras,speaker system,machine guns,ammo,nade launchers,flame throwers etc, and let the troops stay home here in the states and send entire battalions of these into Iraq....while we control, them from home....can you imagine a squad of these walking down a st. in Iraq or any country....I don't care what country,religion or whatever you are...you are going to crap your pants. That is insane mobility/agility....they need not even worry about the sound of them...that would become a feared sound. That is crazy.