newb - does stock SH3 AI cheat?

sasquatch · 11-15-07, 08:25 PM

I'm on my first career and am getting really frustrated with the AI. 33% of the time on my way back to port from patrols an enemy destroyer ends up directly in my path. There will be incredibly dense fog (1/2 mile visibility) and yet they repeatedly find my exact position. Any thoughts?

Torplexed · 11-15-07, 08:29 PM

That might depend on what year your career is currently in. All British destroyers eventually got fitted with radar sets, so easily finding you in the fog or dark wouldn't be an issue for them.

Brag · 11-15-07, 08:52 PM

The Escort AI in SH3 and GWX is pretty good. Most of the time ASW vessels will find you due to own mistakes. Once one learns the tricks of the trade, one becomes harder to find. This interplay, which requires skill is what makes the game so fascinating.

Packerton · 11-15-07, 09:17 PM

Welcome to subsim Herr Kaluen sasquatch!!!

Are you new to Subims at all?

If you are you must always keep one thing in your mind,, your out there, alone and faceing the Navies of Several Countries at once (well in the middle stages of the war to the end at least) your baseicly the blue dot in a whole sea of red, and all that red is looking for you, whether it be Planes, Destroyer hunter kill groups or random independand sailors and convoys.

You must always take it slow, to the point of staying under the water for all the daylight hours late in the war because of Aircraft attacks, and to always remember that somewhere, at anytime, A Destroyer has you on Radar.

I recommend getting the GWX Super mod (currently version 1.3) once you learn the ropes in stock Silent hunter 3, GWX makes the world a much more liveing breathing wartime place in the game.

Not to mention AI upgrades that will allow you to increase in skill and cunning alot faster then the sleepy in comparison stock AI.

sasquatch · 11-15-07, 10:27 PM

I'm brand new to subsim and SHIII. I'm still confused about the DD's because even in 1940 (pre-radar) destroyers were ending up directly on top of me, multiple days after the last time I attacked a merchant or made a radio report. I realise that ships can get lucky, but this is too lucky...

Capa · 11-15-07, 10:55 PM

There are thousands of ships. You just don't have a very big line of sight, and even that's not infallible. Even if it's the same ship it's a lot easier for them to follow a boat on sonar than you might think. Considering the numbers of professional sailors that died in real life whilst being as careful as possible it's better to think less in game terms of "balance" and "fairness" and start fighting for survival knowing that the odds are against you and a DD knows how to hunt and kill a careless kaleun.

11-15-07, 08:25 PM	#1
sasquatch Medic Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kentucky, USA Posts: 160 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	newb - does stock SH3 AI cheat? I'm on my first career and am getting really frustrated with the AI. 33% of the time on my way back to port from patrols an enemy destroyer ends up directly in my path. There will be incredibly dense fog (1/2 mile visibility) and yet they repeatedly find my exact position. Any thoughts?

11-15-07, 08:29 PM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	That might depend on what year your career is currently in. All British destroyers eventually got fitted with radar sets, so easily finding you in the fog or dark wouldn't be an issue for them. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

11-15-07, 08:52 PM	#3
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The Escort AI in SH3 and GWX is pretty good. Most of the time ASW vessels will find you due to own mistakes. Once one learns the tricks of the trade, one becomes harder to find. This interplay, which requires skill is what makes the game so fascinating. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

11-15-07, 09:17 PM	#4
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Welcome to subsim Herr Kaluen sasquatch!!! Are you new to Subims at all? If you are you must always keep one thing in your mind,, your out there, alone and faceing the Navies of Several Countries at once (well in the middle stages of the war to the end at least) your baseicly the blue dot in a whole sea of red, and all that red is looking for you, whether it be Planes, Destroyer hunter kill groups or random independand sailors and convoys. You must always take it slow, to the point of staying under the water for all the daylight hours late in the war because of Aircraft attacks, and to always remember that somewhere, at anytime, A Destroyer has you on Radar. I recommend getting the GWX Super mod (currently version 1.3) once you learn the ropes in stock Silent hunter 3, GWX makes the world a much more liveing breathing wartime place in the game. Not to mention AI upgrades that will allow you to increase in skill and cunning alot faster then the sleepy in comparison stock AI. __________________ GWX crew member. Come Hell or High water, we get it done!

11-15-07, 10:27 PM	#5
sasquatch Medic Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kentucky, USA Posts: 160 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm brand new to subsim and SHIII. I'm still confused about the DD's because even in 1940 (pre-radar) destroyers were ending up directly on top of me, multiple days after the last time I attacked a merchant or made a radio report. I realise that ships can get lucky, but this is too lucky...

11-15-07, 10:55 PM	#6
Capa A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 76 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There are thousands of ships. You just don't have a very big line of sight, and even that's not infallible. Even if it's the same ship it's a lot easier for them to follow a boat on sonar than you might think. Considering the numbers of professional sailors that died in real life whilst being as careful as possible it's better to think less in game terms of "balance" and "fairness" and start fighting for survival knowing that the odds are against you and a DD knows how to hunt and kill a careless kaleun.