whats the point of renown?

Phil · 02-13-07, 12:51 PM

why is this included in the game would real uboats only get certain upgrades if they had good patrols? Or is it to make the player of the game be agressive and go to the correct patrol zones and not go joy riding? also is there anyway to turn it off cause i would like all the upgrades as they come along since i need all the help i can get

Morts · 02-13-07, 12:53 PM

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-07, 12:55 PM

Be more aggressive!

Corsair · 02-13-07, 12:56 PM

This is why I like the "no renown" system of NYGM mod...

Instead of costing "renown", it takes time in port to install the stuff or commission a new boat.

Ducimus · 02-13-07, 01:32 PM

Well, here's "a" argument for renown which ive concocted on my own from the far recceses of that underused grey matter betwixed my ears.

Renown, is simply fame. Or, positive reputation. In the real world, (im about to apply a big paint brush here, brace yourselves), supplies available to militaries are often limited. Either not enough is being produced, the shipments went somewhere else, or maybe they just got blown up somewhere. But the point being, supplies and equipment are not unlimited.

Now supplies, are usually inventoried, watched over, and ultimatly issued out by people placed in charge of supplies. The short of this is, if your a supply sargeant, and you only have say,... 2 snorkels left in your inventory, are you going to pass them out freely? Or would you perhaps hold onto one of them for a buddy who happends to be skipper of some uboat?

Or simply put in other terms:

*supply sgt gets on phone* "hey Herbert ya its me, Karl, hey man, you owe me big on this one! You know those snorkels you were scrounging for? well i managed to save one for you but you better get down here and pick it up quick, cause i wont be able to hold onto it forever"

q65 · 02-13-07, 03:10 PM

I like the thought behind the Renown but I dont like that you could lose your Rank when you use Renown to get upgrades. To me the Rank is more important then the Renown. Ranking should be based on Tonnage and the Upgrades based on Renown.

Iron Budokan · 02-13-07, 03:18 PM

I don't mind the game play behind renown....it's okay, imo.

danurve · 02-14-07, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corsair

This is why I like the "no renown" system of NYGM mod...

Instead of costing "renown", it takes time in port to install the stuff or commission a new boat.

Hope this isn't inaccurate to NYGM but part of this mod if I understand the readme's is the tonnage, in which it replaces renown. Imo it is more difficult to slab a tin can and the reward should reflect that.

The supermods turn me off in such a way like that as they change too much of the game towards how someone else feels you should be playing.

melnibonian · 02-14-07, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is

You have to Join the Dark Side if you want to get more renown

and you need to alter the GameSettings.Cfg file to play with the realism settings

danlisa · 02-14-07, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melnibonian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is

You have to Join the Dark Side if you want to get more renown

and you need to alter the GameSettings.Cfg file to play with the realism settings

*Heavy Mechanical Breathing - Whoop Whosh Whoop Whosh....Vader is in 'da House.*

In the save directory in My Documents find the latest save point for your current career, then find (IIRC) the last Patrol**.cfg. Towards the bottom of this cfg there is an entry for DELTA RENOWN. Put any figure you like.

*Quick blast from Inhaler - Much better*

Carry on, nothing to see here.

Morts · 02-14-07, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danlisa

Quote:

Originally Posted by melnibonian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts

there is a way to get more renown
you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is

You have to Join the Dark Side if you want to get more renown

and you need to alter the GameSettings.Cfg file to play with the realism settings

*Heavy Mechanical Breathing - Whoop Whosh Whoop Whosh....Vader is in 'da House.*

In the save directory in My Documents find the latest save point for your current career, then find (IIRC) the last Patrol**.cfg. Towards the bottom of this cfg there is an entry for DELTA RENOWN. Put any figure you like.

*Quick blast from Inhaler - Much better*

Carry on, nothing to see here.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

jasonsagert · 02-14-07, 06:23 AM

melnibonian: I agree with you 100% on both points (and the third also

). I just wish that there was a better solution to the renown system as a whole--and the NYGM system addressed this, but doesn't fix the issue as a whole. Oh well, I desire a lot of things that just aren't.

Yep, I guess we'll have to deal with what we have. I know l'll have a lot of fun sinking ships anyway

Cheers,

J

jasonsagert · 02-14-07, 05:07 AM

No no melnibonian, anyone on The True Dark Side knows of the Patrol_0.cfg. The simple way to right the wrongs of renown. But I would NEVER do anything like that

.

But in all seriousness, I've decided to take it as it comes in my current career. I'm currently on my 4th patrol in Jan 40'--decided to try doing the whole war for a change. I already have over 8000 renown and still nothing to spend it on--so I just get promoted and medals.

Though, starting a career from the beginning makes me think that the Devs possibly designed the renown system to function when starting a career in '39 and progressing from there. If you don't do that, the renown system becomes rediculous. In 44', you should get 10,000 renown for making it to your patrol gird and back to port in one piece.

Edit: ok, maybe not 10,000 renown, but more that 500.

Anyway, just my thoughts...

Cheers,

J

melnibonian · 02-14-07, 05:23 AM

@jasonsagert

if you alter the basic renown values you're cheating. What the Dark Side suggests is a way to get the full renown you would have got if you were playing at 100% realism. After all since you are actually sinking the ships why not take the renown as well. I would never ever suggest you take non-credited renown

We might be dark but we're honest:p

jasonsagert · 02-14-07, 05:42 AM

Ahh melnibonian, I see. Heck, I don't dable in any of that nonsense anyway--Ok, maybe I did back in the day. I enjoy messing with games when I first get them.

But, I must pose the question: What is "full" renown, and does one ever really deserve it?

AHAHAHHA...do what you want with renown. I've decided to just stick with the GWX solution as I find that renown is involved in one of two things:

1) upgrades, which just make it easier--do you want a challange or do you want a arcade shooter?

2) medals and promotions--can you say ego? They only matter for your crew I guess, not for you at all.

I like Ducimus's explaination for renown, and that's typically how I "role-play" it. Yea, I role-play my SH3 careers

and I enjoy the hell out of doing so

J

02-13-07, 12:51 PM	#1
Phil Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newark delaware Posts: 110 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	whats the point of renown? why is this included in the game would real uboats only get certain upgrades if they had good patrols? Or is it to make the player of the game be agressive and go to the correct patrol zones and not go joy riding? also is there anyway to turn it off cause i would like all the upgrades as they come along since i need all the help i can get

02-13-07, 12:55 PM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Be more aggressive! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-13-07, 12:56 PM	#4
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	This is why I like the "no renown" system of NYGM mod... Instead of costing "renown", it takes time in port to install the stuff or commission a new boat. __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

02-13-07, 03:18 PM	#7
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I don't mind the game play behind renown....it's okay, imo. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-14-07, 05:23 AM	#14
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	@jasonsagert if you alter the basic renown values you're cheating. What the Dark Side suggests is a way to get the full renown you would have got if you were playing at 100% realism. After all since you are actually sinking the ships why not take the renown as well. I would never ever suggest you take non-credited renown We might be dark but we're honest:p __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

02-13-07, 12:53 PM	#2
Morts Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,395 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	there is a way to get more renown you have to edit a file wich i dont remember where is

02-13-07, 01:32 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Well, here's "a" argument for renown which ive concocted on my own from the far recceses of that underused grey matter betwixed my ears. Renown, is simply fame. Or, positive reputation. In the real world, (im about to apply a big paint brush here, brace yourselves), supplies available to militaries are often limited. Either not enough is being produced, the shipments went somewhere else, or maybe they just got blown up somewhere. But the point being, supplies and equipment are not unlimited. Now supplies, are usually inventoried, watched over, and ultimatly issued out by people placed in charge of supplies. The short of this is, if your a supply sargeant, and you only have say,... 2 snorkels left in your inventory, are you going to pass them out freely? Or would you perhaps hold onto one of them for a buddy who happends to be skipper of some uboat? Or simply put in other terms: supply sgt gets on phone "hey Herbert ya its me, Karl, hey man, you owe me big on this one! You know those snorkels you were scrounging for? well i managed to save one for you but you better get down here and pick it up quick, cause i wont be able to hold onto it forever"

02-13-07, 03:10 PM	#6
q65 Loader Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 84 Downloads: 389 Uploads: 0	I like the thought behind the Renown but I dont like that you could lose your Rank when you use Renown to get upgrades. To me the Rank is more important then the Renown. Ranking should be based on Tonnage and the Upgrades based on Renown.

02-14-07, 06:23 AM	#12
jasonsagert Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 113 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	melnibonian: I agree with you 100% on both points (and the third also ). I just wish that there was a better solution to the renown system as a whole--and the NYGM system addressed this, but doesn't fix the issue as a whole. Oh well, I desire a lot of things that just aren't. Yep, I guess we'll have to deal with what we have. I know l'll have a lot of fun sinking ships anyway Cheers, J

02-14-07, 05:07 AM	#13
jasonsagert Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 113 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	No no melnibonian, anyone on The True Dark Side knows of the Patrol_0.cfg. The simple way to right the wrongs of renown. But I would NEVER do anything like that . But in all seriousness, I've decided to take it as it comes in my current career. I'm currently on my 4th patrol in Jan 40'--decided to try doing the whole war for a change. I already have over 8000 renown and still nothing to spend it on--so I just get promoted and medals. Though, starting a career from the beginning makes me think that the Devs possibly designed the renown system to function when starting a career in '39 and progressing from there. If you don't do that, the renown system becomes rediculous. In 44', you should get 10,000 renown for making it to your patrol gird and back to port in one piece. Edit: ok, maybe not 10,000 renown, but more that 500. Anyway, just my thoughts... Cheers, J

02-14-07, 05:42 AM	#15
jasonsagert Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 113 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Ahh melnibonian, I see. Heck, I don't dable in any of that nonsense anyway--Ok, maybe I did back in the day. I enjoy messing with games when I first get them. But, I must pose the question: What is "full" renown, and does one ever really deserve it? AHAHAHHA...do what you want with renown. I've decided to just stick with the GWX solution as I find that renown is involved in one of two things: 1) upgrades, which just make it easier--do you want a challange or do you want a arcade shooter? 2) medals and promotions--can you say ego? They only matter for your crew I guess, not for you at all. I like Ducimus's explaination for renown, and that's typically how I "role-play" it. Yea, I role-play my SH3 careers and I enjoy the hell out of doing so J