Impossible to hit Subchaser with torps out in ocean?

Shyzar · 04-28-07, 06:57 PM

I was sent to patrol the Celebes sea, and while there, I got a warship sound contact. Went to investigate, a destroyer and a subchaser, I was detected by sonar, fired a torp at the destroyer, It cracked in half, fired 3 torps at the subchaser (varying depths and detonation methods) couldn't hit her.
By the time I was sunk, I had fired about 9 torps at the subchaser.
How can I hit a subchaser at sea, in port it's easy, but out at sea, it seems to be higher in the water and even with the torp depth at 3ft (highest I can get it to go) i couldn't hit her.
What happened?

SteamWake · 04-28-07, 07:12 PM

What makes it hard is they constantly change course and speed.

If you really want that prize youd better get real close.

John Channing · 04-28-07, 08:41 PM

In real life they were not only difficult to hit due to their shallow draft, but they were considered not worth a torpedo.

Dive and evade.

JCC

FAdmiral · 04-28-07, 09:15 PM

And on the subchaser, its not the single DC rack on the stern that will
sink you but the 2 DC throwers on each side. I would rather tackle a
full DD with only 2 rear racks than this side thrower. I speak from
definate experience because in the last week, I evaded at least 5 DDs
but the subchaser got me.....

JIM

nattydread · 04-29-07, 12:26 AM

Yikes, it can toss? Boy thats a whole different beast to slay. Thats good to know..by the way what kinds of guns does it have? If it doesnt have a deck gun I'd consider spraying it 20mms and the deck gun since I assume its light weight and unarmored.

donut · 04-29-07, 02:13 AM

We have encountered three,torped two,& deck gunned the other. set depth to shallow,fast,or slow,depending on range. if undetected,set PK to track,if his course is constant/unchanging.other wise dive to 62ft,& track with sonar,when she comes in-range,blow,deck gun,with HE,took five good shots. You could head for thermal. cover.

BTW,we encountered our first Jap Sub on the surface,she dove,we had set PK,fired at 50 depth,& got a torp impact! splash,Amazing,no confirmed kill.

No it wasn't a circle runner.

nattydread · 04-29-07, 03:45 AM

hmm, no confirmed kill? 1 torp ought to do it and the game doesnt seem to require visual confirmation.

If you havent docked yet, keep an eye out for decreased reknown...you may have sunk a US sub

...they all look a like from a distance.

joea · 04-29-07, 04:47 AM

Actually the subchaser is one of the few warships you can tackle on the surface. Less dangerous believe it or not.

mcoca · 04-29-07, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

Actually the subchaser is one of the few warships you can tackle on the surface. Less dangerous believe it or not.

That's because its deck gun is bugged and won't fire. Possibly because the AI thinks it will hit its own ship. It's issue 73) in the bug thread

nattydread · 04-29-07, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mcoca

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea

Actually the subchaser is one of the few warships you can tackle on the surface. Less dangerous believe it or not.

That's because its deck gun is bugged and won't fire. Possibly because the AI thinks it will hit its own ship. It's issue 73) in the bug thread

ah man...bugged? I guess i wont be engaging it! I can bring myself to exploit AI bugs

FAdmiral · 04-29-07, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoca

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea

Actually the subchaser is one of the few warships you can tackle on the surface. Less dangerous believe it or not.

That's because its deck gun is bugged and won't fire. Possibly because the AI thinks it will hit its own ship. It's issue 73) in the bug thread

Well, it's certainly not because the gun can't fire because I've had it fire on me.
Granted, its method of firing is sorta odd (only fires part of the time) but the
gun definately works and shoots. I just had 3 of them chase me (hence the name)
but only firing part of the time??? I was not near the merchants either so that was
not the case. Their aim was not good and I was never hit (they were VETS too)

JIM

-Pv- · 04-29-07, 10:21 PM

Long reload times possibly?
-Pv-

FAdmiral · 04-30-07, 12:27 AM

Nope, they seemed to fire 4 or 5 times then quit. After a minute or 2,
they fired another 4 or 5 times???

JIM

Payoff · 04-30-07, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donut

BTW,we encountered our first Jap Sub on the surface,she dove,we had set PK,fired at 50 depth,& got a torp impact! splash,Amazing,no confirmed kill.

No it wasn't a circle runner.

What the . . . Is this a joke?

mcoca · 04-30-07, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAdmiral

Well, it's certainly not because the gun can't fire because I've had it fire on me.
Granted, its method of firing is sorta odd (only fires part of the time) but the
gun definately works and shoots. I just had 3 of them chase me (hence the name)
but only firing part of the time??? I was not near the merchants either so that was
not the case. Their aim was not good and I was never hit (they were VETS too)

Are you certain that was not their AA gun? They do fire that one, but it doesn't do much (any?) damage to a sub. I ran a lot of tests in a single mission with the subchaser, and in never used its big gun. It would run circles around the surfaced sub, not using the gun, and not daring to ram.

What was the weather like?

04-28-07, 06:57 PM	#1
Shyzar Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Surrey, British Columbia Posts: 214 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Impossible to hit Subchaser with torps out in ocean? I was sent to patrol the Celebes sea, and while there, I got a warship sound contact. Went to investigate, a destroyer and a subchaser, I was detected by sonar, fired a torp at the destroyer, It cracked in half, fired 3 torps at the subchaser (varying depths and detonation methods) couldn't hit her. By the time I was sunk, I had fired about 9 torps at the subchaser. How can I hit a subchaser at sea, in port it's easy, but out at sea, it seems to be higher in the water and even with the torp depth at 3ft (highest I can get it to go) i couldn't hit her. What happened? __________________ Since ancient times, there has never been a war that did not have a political character. -Máo Zédong Friction is the only concept that more or less corresponds to the factors that distinguish real war from war on paper. -Carl von Clausewitz

04-28-07, 08:41 PM	#3
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	In real life they were not only difficult to hit due to their shallow draft, but they were considered not worth a torpedo. Dive and evade. JCC Last edited by John Channing; 04-28-07 at 08:51 PM.

04-28-07, 09:15 PM	#4
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	And on the subchaser, its not the single DC rack on the stern that will sink you but the 2 DC throwers on each side. I would rather tackle a full DD with only 2 rear racks than this side thrower. I speak from definate experience because in the last week, I evaded at least 5 DDs but the subchaser got me..... JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

04-29-07, 02:13 AM	#6
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sub chasers We have encountered three,torped two,& deck gunned the other. set depth to shallow,fast,or slow,depending on range. if undetected,set PK to track,if his course is constant/unchanging.other wise dive to 62ft,& track with sonar,when she comes in-range,blow,deck gun,with HE,took five good shots. You could head for thermal. cover. BTW,we encountered our first Jap Sub on the surface,she dove,we had set PK,fired at 50 depth,& got a torp impact! splash,Amazing,no confirmed kill. No it wasn't a circle runner.

04-30-07, 12:27 AM	#13
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Nope, they seemed to fire 4 or 5 times then quit. After a minute or 2, they fired another 4 or 5 times??? JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

04-28-07, 07:12 PM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What makes it hard is they constantly change course and speed. If you really want that prize youd better get real close.

04-29-07, 12:26 AM	#5
nattydread Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 498 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Yikes, it can toss? Boy thats a whole different beast to slay. Thats good to know..by the way what kinds of guns does it have? If it doesnt have a deck gun I'd consider spraying it 20mms and the deck gun since I assume its light weight and unarmored.

04-29-07, 03:45 AM	#7
nattydread Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 498 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	hmm, no confirmed kill? 1 torp ought to do it and the game doesnt seem to require visual confirmation. If you havent docked yet, keep an eye out for decreased reknown...you may have sunk a US sub ...they all look a like from a distance.

04-29-07, 04:47 AM	#8
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Actually the subchaser is one of the few warships you can tackle on the surface. Less dangerous believe it or not.

04-29-07, 10:21 PM	#12
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Long reload times possibly? -Pv-