[REL]SH3/4 Weather Report + RealWeatherFix mod.

Stiebler · 02-01-08, 08:51 AM

Subtype Zero and I have done a lot of experimental work to try to improve the weather in SH3, principally to reduce the 'rainy-storms' (periods of thick fog, heavy rain, wind 15 m/s).

This has resulted in the release of two items.

The Weather Report is another article from NYGM research, with corrections and additions by the Romanian devs. Everything you ever needed to know about weather in SH3 and SH4, combined in one five-page PDF file. You will need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader (TM) to read this file.

The RealWeatherFix combines the settings that we feel are appropriate into one mod. Owing to the fact that there are so many different campaign files out there, and various alterations to the key file 'scene.dat', it is not realistic to provide separate substitute files for every available variant of SH3. Instead I have written a short program that stamps our data onto your existing files, while making back-ups of the originals. Full instructions with the read-me.

We can't fix everything, since the devs themselves acknowledge that the algorithm for SH3 weather is defective (corrected for SH4, though). There was a strong tendency to produce rainy-storms. Our parameters greatly reduce this tendency, resulting in a marked improvement to game play. Tested with stock SH3, NYGM, GWX.

Both items (NYGMWeatherReport.zip and RealWeatherFix.zip) can be downloaded from:

http://hosted.filefront.com/TeddyBar/

You can also download the current versions of NYGM from the same site. The weather changes have not been made to current NYGM, but will appear as standard in the forthcoming version 2.7. Meanwhile you can use RealWeatherFix to make the necessary weather changes.

The RealWeatherFix has been tested not least in a rolling campaign in NYGM, over a period of five game years. Before becoming too critical about supposed failures of the RealWeatherFix, please remember that the weather algorithm uses *random* parameters. We will only consider alleged defects if you can reproduce the faults in triplicate (ie, from three patrols minimum) and provide accurate documentary evidence.

Stiebler.

onelifecrisis · 02-01-08, 09:51 AM

Sounds awesome!

One question... you mentioned scene.dat? Does this utility change scene.dat and if so will it affect sensors (some of the settings in there do)

difool2 · 02-01-08, 10:07 AM

Very cool. One thing I didn't get much of at all using my settings was fog. Will try and report back.

Sailor Steve · 02-01-08, 10:22 AM

Looking forward to trying this one.

ReallyDedPoet · 02-01-08, 10:32 AM

Stiebler, I just added [REL] to your thread title

May attract a few more folks to this thread. Nice work by the way

RDP

onelifecrisis · 02-01-08, 10:46 AM

Great! Installing now

(great readme btw

)

Kumando · 02-01-08, 11:23 AM

Can it be used in a mid of a patrol?

02-01-08, 11:28 AM

I run SH3 (with GWX 2.0 Mod) via SH3 Commander, which in turn launches SH3Weather, and then the game.

Can I use this program prior to running SH3 Commander ? Is it compatible with SH3Weather or will it produce strange results ?

Thanks...

onelifecrisis · 02-06-08, 12:48 PM

Meh, ignore me! I disabled RWF and did some testing, and the problem persists, so it's not being caused by RWF. Now that I think about it I seem to remember KL saying something about the 16km visibility mod re-introducing VNV.

Previous post deleted - sorry.

Subtype Zero · 02-06-08, 05:09 PM

Regarding the use of RWF with SH3 Weather:

While using SH3 Weather with RWF will not break RWF or completely nullify the changes that RWF makes to scene.dat, it will cause unpredicatable (and likely undesirable) effects on the weather changes brought about by RWF. So, our advice is not to use RWF with any other weather mod.

By the same token, if you use RWF, we do not recommend making any radical manual changes to the campaign_.mis files because of the possible adverse effect on RWF. If you must alter the .mis files, make sure to make a backup of the original file and to make only minor changes to only one, or at most, two variables at a time. Then, go out on at least a three week patrol to evaluate any changes you have made. :p

Renesco · 04-09-11, 11:13 PM

Ever since I installed this its been heavy rain heavy fog 15 m/s winds non stop for months on end

Sailor Steve · 04-10-11, 12:01 AM

Wow! Three-year necro.

Stiebler is still around, so you should be able to get some help. Never used it myself.

02-01-08, 08:51 AM	#1
Stiebler Fuel Supplier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,237 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 4	[REL]SH3/4 Weather Report + RealWeatherFix mod. Subtype Zero and I have done a lot of experimental work to try to improve the weather in SH3, principally to reduce the 'rainy-storms' (periods of thick fog, heavy rain, wind 15 m/s). This has resulted in the release of two items. The Weather Report is another article from NYGM research, with corrections and additions by the Romanian devs. Everything you ever needed to know about weather in SH3 and SH4, combined in one five-page PDF file. You will need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader (TM) to read this file. The RealWeatherFix combines the settings that we feel are appropriate into one mod. Owing to the fact that there are so many different campaign files out there, and various alterations to the key file 'scene.dat', it is not realistic to provide separate substitute files for every available variant of SH3. Instead I have written a short program that stamps our data onto your existing files, while making back-ups of the originals. Full instructions with the read-me. We can't fix everything, since the devs themselves acknowledge that the algorithm for SH3 weather is defective (corrected for SH4, though). There was a strong tendency to produce rainy-storms. Our parameters greatly reduce this tendency, resulting in a marked improvement to game play. Tested with stock SH3, NYGM, GWX. Both items (NYGMWeatherReport.zip and RealWeatherFix.zip) can be downloaded from: http://hosted.filefront.com/TeddyBar/ You can also download the current versions of NYGM from the same site. The weather changes have not been made to current NYGM, but will appear as standard in the forthcoming version 2.7. Meanwhile you can use RealWeatherFix to make the necessary weather changes. The RealWeatherFix has been tested not least in a rolling campaign in NYGM, over a period of five game years. Before becoming too critical about supposed failures of the RealWeatherFix, please remember that the weather algorithm uses random parameters. We will only consider alleged defects if you can reproduce the faults in triplicate (ie, from three patrols minimum) and provide accurate documentary evidence. Stiebler. __________________ NYGM Tonnage War Mod - More than a mod: it's an experience!

02-01-08, 09:51 AM	#2
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Sounds awesome! One question... you mentioned scene.dat? Does this utility change scene.dat and if so will it affect sensors (some of the settings in there do) __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

02-01-08, 10:22 AM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Looking forward to trying this one. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-01-08, 10:32 AM	#5
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Stiebler, I just added [REL] to your thread title May attract a few more folks to this thread. Nice work by the way RDP __________________ Back in the Day

02-01-08, 10:46 AM	#6
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Great! Installing now (great readme btw ) __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

02-01-08, 10:07 AM	#3
difool2 Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Very cool. One thing I didn't get much of at all using my settings was fog. Will try and report back.

02-01-08, 11:23 AM	#7
Kumando Commodore Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 639 Downloads: 283 Uploads: 0	Can it be used in a mid of a patrol?

02-01-08, 11:28 AM	#8
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I run SH3 (with GWX 2.0 Mod) via SH3 Commander, which in turn launches SH3Weather, and then the game. Can I use this program prior to running SH3 Commander ? Is it compatible with SH3Weather or will it produce strange results ? Thanks...

02-06-08, 12:48 PM	#9
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Meh, ignore me! I disabled RWF and did some testing, and the problem persists, so it's not being caused by RWF. Now that I think about it I seem to remember KL saying something about the 16km visibility mod re-introducing VNV. Previous post deleted - sorry. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

02-06-08, 05:09 PM	#10
Subtype Zero Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 19,998 Leagues under the sea Posts: 262 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Regarding the use of RWF with SH3 Weather: While using SH3 Weather with RWF will not break RWF or completely nullify the changes that RWF makes to scene.dat, it will cause unpredicatable (and likely undesirable) effects on the weather changes brought about by RWF. So, our advice is not to use RWF with any other weather mod. By the same token, if you use RWF, we do not recommend making any radical manual changes to the campaign_.mis files because of the possible adverse effect on RWF. If you must alter the .mis files, make sure to make a backup of the original file and to make only minor changes to only one, or at most, two variables at a time. Then, go out on at least a three week patrol to evaluate any changes you have made. :p __________________

04-09-11, 11:13 PM	#11
Renesco Seaman Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Ever since I installed this its been heavy rain heavy fog 15 m/s winds non stop for months on end

04-10-11, 12:01 AM	#12
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Wow! Three-year necro. Stiebler is still around, so you should be able to get some help. Never used it myself. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo