Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Oberon]

Brains

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Brains

Yeah I know, don't look at me though, I'm not the necromancer.


Although, here's the thing, would you rather gun control threads keep popping up, or have it all contained in one thread? This topic will come up, again, and again and again, because the anti-gun gun people will never, ever give up. Seriously, do you realize that as the senate come back early from recess to debate syria, Senator Murphy (D, CT) , was still throwing gun control out on the senate floor? Seriously, they are there to debate a possible war, and the pundits are still on gun control. That should tell you something.

[Feuer Frei!]

According to maps by the U.N. Office of Drugs and Crime.

True internationally as well as domestically.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...w-In-Homicides

[Oberon]

I'm going for...oh...three or four on this one.

[CaptainMattJ.]

It'd also be fair to note the bigger cause of homicide/crime is poverty. They are all very poor countries with very big drug syndicates.

That's a funny pair of maps, the colours don't match.
They appear to not show the correlation which the author is claiming they show.
Which is even stranger when you consider his "facts"
I wonder why the author changed the second map, could it perhaps be to paint certain countries in a better light by blending the bands together?

It'd also be fair to note the bigger cause of homicide/crime is poverty. They are all very poor countries with very big drug syndicates

That's weird, that the conclusion the actual study reached
Though they did add "illegal" firearms ownership as a major factor, which is of course totally absent in the first map Breitbart used to try make their "point".

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

According to maps by the U.N. Office of Drugs and Crime.

True internationally as well as domestically.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...w-In-Homicides

I saw this article some time back. While I am a rabid supporter of the second amendment and the bill in rights in general, I have to say that articles like this, or anything that is even remotely "pro gun" will be shot full of holes by the progressive/anti-gun types. Sad fact of the matter is, no matter how much logical evidence and facts are presented, they will find a way to discredit it to support their point of view. They will never concede, and never give up, until the only people who have arms in this country is the government.

As one commentator put it:

"If you are for gun control, then you’re not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. You’ll need to go around, pass laws and shoot people who resist … just to take away guns. So it’s not that you’re anti-gun … you just believe that only the government should be allowed to have guns. So there’s no such thing as gun control, there’s only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite.”

Sad fact of the matter is, no matter how much logical evidence and facts are presented, they will find a way to discredit it to support their point of view.

Logic and facts would be fine, there is no way to discredit those.
But a dodgy piece by a known charlatan who uses "the dog ate my homework" approach when challenged on his "facts" is obviously not a great example to use if you want to apply logic and fact to support your argument.

[Bilge_Rat]

That article is very misleading since it lumps all countries with a 0-5 murders per 100,000 pop together. When you actually break it down by country, a different picture emerges, i.e.:

U.S.A .....14,000+ murders = 4.7 per 100K
Canada........554 murders = 1.6 per 100k
U.K..............722 murders = 1.2 per 100k
Germany.......690 murders = 0.8 per 100k
Japan...........506 murders = 0.4 per 100k

These are 2012 figures, so the U.S. murder rate is 3 to 12 times higher than countries with a comparable standard of living.

when you look at firearms related homicide, the discrepancy is even worse:

USA = 3.6
Can. = 0.5
UK = 0.04
Ger. = 0.20
Jap. = zero

There the US has a murder rate by firearms 7 to 90 times higher than other comparable countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

That article is very misleading since it lumps all countries with a 0-5 murders per 100,000 pop together.

Yep, the genuine map breaks up that range to differentiate between the categories
But as a bonus just to prove how feeble and pathetic the attempt was. if you look at the Years which he claims the figures are from, the US moves up into the yellow category on his altered map.
So not only does the piece blend categories to try and hide the facts, it actually moves the US into a lower category

That puts the article beyond "very misleading" and into the realms of "outright fabrication".

Which raises the question.
If logical evidence and facts can make the argument, why are they instead resorting to very silly and very obvious lies?

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

According to maps by the U.N. Office of Drugs and Crime.

True internationally as well as domestically.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...w-In-Homicides

Gah!
Why, why, why, why isn't this in the gun thread where it belongs? That thread was made so the GT section isn't flooded with gun related crap anymore.

[Sailor Steve]

A good question. I'm sure Jim will move it when he gets the chance.

[Ducimus]

It's a pointless topic anyway. Regardless if one is for or against, all that ends up happening is regurgitation of the same arguments, and i seriously doubt anyone is going to change their minds.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It's a pointless topic anyway. Regardless if one is for or against, all that ends up happening is regurgitation of the same arguments, and i seriously doubt anyone is going to change their minds.

+1

'Guns are bad!'

'No, they're good!'

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

A good question. I'm sure Jim will move it when he gets the chance.

Jim has to complete his training on how to access the internet first I believe.

Then there's probably a class on how to actually do things like that he must pass?