Gun Control thread (merged many)

Guns are neutral.
We need to kill everyone that touches a Gun.
Or reads about, posts about, states an opinion about, etc. Guns.
Only then can Guns live a free life safe from oppression.

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

+1

'Guns are bad!'

'No, they're good!'

X10000000000000000000000000

It only works like that if you have a closed mind and reject facts which don't fit your preconceptions.

If I recall correctly you didn't take long at all to change your mind from your original simplistic "ban guns" position did you.
In fact you got stumped by the simple question of "why?"

So why are you agreeing with a statement when you yourself are evidence that it is a false statement?

[Ducimus]

Sorry to bump this tired topic, but so long as it's being pushed, it will just keep coming up.

As the saying goes: "Registration leads to confiscation."
- And So It Begins: New York Sending Out Gun Confiscation Notices ( November 27, 2013 )
- NYPD cracks down on long guns that hold more than five rounds ( December 05, 2013 )

Also:
Round 2 of infringement is coming soon. I would conjecture after 2014 congressional elections if the Democrats are playing it smart.
Biden: White House Making New Gun Control Push- VP touts executive orders already issued ( December 02, 2013 )

In addition, if an email sent out by the NRA-ILA is to believed,

"Michelle Obama held a lavish fundraiser for a group of rich, anti-gun donors in New York City."

She asked them all to write a "big old fat check" to help elect Senators who will pass Barack Obama's extreme gun control agenda.

"Sadly, as you know, that bill failed," Michelle told the crowd, in reference to Obama's backdoor gun registration scheme.

"It failed by just six votes in the Senate. Six. So make no mistake about it: the midterm elections, they matter. They matter."

I have found no collaborating news stories as of yet, so I take this with a grain of salt.

About those executive orders, I found this both humorous, and saddening at the same time:


Lastly, Let us not forget this blatant lie:


I put that lie on par with, and "I didn't set a red line".

To those from the US that argue against the second amendment, I most likely will not agree with what you are saying, but I would give my last breath to defend your right to say it. Think about that.

[soopaman2]

So all the Obama haters, (not defending the halfrican retard) but he did nothing to take away anyones guns.

Nothing. I am sick of the retarded hate on him for the crap he was supossed to do but didn't.

When he first got elected, people flocked to gun stores, despite the fact he never made any moves towards taking guns away.

My state is the strictest in the union with guns, and if you saw my collection it would boggle your mind, most of my collection came under Obamas watch.


So stop this partisan regurgitating crap, Obama has done nothing to restrict guns, but local legislators on the other hand... (mag sizes for instance.)

Your local legislators make the gun laws, there is no real National gun law. Yet Obama gets blamed when you cannot buy a RPG rocket launcher or an full auto AK.

Grow up, maybe if you got past party politics we can fix this, until then you are part of the problem, and should just go away.

edit: sorry, I love to trash Obama, but the gun crazyness is not his fault, just brought to the forefront because he has a D before his name.

I am a D and I love guns...

A real big D.(get it I called myself a dick, a big ol liberal D, with (some) conservative beliefs )

[razark]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

- And So It Begins: New York Sending Out Gun Confiscation Notices ( November 27, 2013 )
- NYPD cracks down on long guns that hold more than five rounds ( December 05, 2013 )

Hrm. Quick google search keeps turning up the same image of the same document. Is there any corroboration of this? If there was such a wide-spread gun confiscation program going on, wouldn't we expect to see hundreds of these notices posted online, or at least more than one?

[August]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

So all the Obama haters, (not defending the halfrican retard) but he did nothing to take away anyones guns.

Nothing. I am sick of the retarded hate on him for the crap he was supossed to do but didn't.

When he first got elected, people flocked to gun stores, despite the fact he never made any moves towards taking guns away.

My state is the strictest in the union with guns, and if you saw my collection it would boggle your mind, most of my collection came under Obamas watch.


So stop this partisan regurgitating crap, Obama has done nothing to restrict guns, but local legislators on the other hand...

Your local legislators make the gun laws, there is no real National gun law. Yet Obama gets blamed when you cannot buy a RPG or an full auto AK.

I don't know where you have been the last few years but Obama has done everything within his power to ban guns. He's made pro gun control speeches across the country, he taken executive actions including banning the re-import of US made rifles like the Garand (a far cry from an RPG) and has been an advocate for just about every gun grabbing group and gun grabbing scheme to come along.
Just because he has (so far) failed doesn't mean he didn't and hasn't continued to try.

That is not however to say he is the soul of the anti-gun movement but he is a strong proponent of it. That cannot be denied.

Originally Posted by razark

Hrm. Quick google search keeps turning up the same image of the same document. Is there any corroboration of this? If there was such a wide-spread gun confiscation program going on, wouldn't we expect to see hundreds of these notices posted online, or at least more than one?

I have no doubt it is genuine, but its really nothing new.
My uncle has been unable to keep a significant proportion of his big firearms collection at his home in NYC for many years. He instead keeps them in his home in the mountains, which is handy as that is where the hunting is.

Originally Posted by August

I don't know where you have been the last few years but Obama has done everything within his power to ban guns. He's made pro gun control speeches across the country, he taken executive actions including banning the re-import of US made rifles like the Garand (a far cry from an RPG) and has been an advocate for just about every gun grabbing group and gun grabbing scheme to come along.
Just because he has (so far) failed doesn't mean he didn't and hasn't continued to try.

That is not however to say he is the soul of the anti-gun movement but he is a strong proponent of it. That cannot be denied.

Oh dear oh dear.
There is no ban on the re import of US made rifles, there is a ban on the re import of US made weapons which were shipped as tax payer funded military aid.
It is a ban on US taxpayers paying again for something they had already paid for.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

So all the Obama haters, (not defending the halfrican retard) but he did nothing to take away anyones guns.

Only because what he wanted, didn't get past the senate. Or did you not get the memo on that?

Nothing. I am sick of the retarded hate on him for the crap he was supossed to do but didn't.

When he first got elected, people flocked to gun stores, despite the fact he never made any moves towards taking guns away.

And it appears those fears have been justified this past year.

My state is the strictest in the union with guns, and if you saw my collection it would boggle your mind, most of my collection came under Obamas watch

.

Again, I'll cite the failure of Feinstinean styled bills that Obama verbally endorsed to make it through the senate.

So stop this partisan regurgitating crap, Obama has done nothing to restrict guns, but local legislators on the other hand... (mag sizes for instance.)

I'd agree it was partisian crap if Obama lies and reversals were not so well documented on video. Oh and If you hadn't noticed, most gun control bills are endorsed or sponsored by mostly Democrats. Ever look at what bills are going and whos sponsoring them? 90% of the time, there's a big D after their name. Seriously. Look it up.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...menu_113_1.htm

Your local legislators make the gun laws, there is no real National gun law. Yet Obama gets blamed when you cannot buy a RPG rocket launcher or an full auto AK.

Now your being ridiculous.

Grow up, maybe if you got past party politics we can fix this, until then you are part of the problem, and should just go away.

I'll just point to the voting record again. It speaks for itself.

edit: sorry, I love to trash Obama, but the gun crazyness is not his fault, just brought to the forefront because he has a D before his name.

It's not that he's a democrat, its that he's a blantant liar.

I am a D and I love guns...

A real big D.(get it I called myself a dick, a big ol liberal D, with (some) conservative beliefs )

From past posts, I don't think your a D, though i could be wrong. But if you want to self identify with the Democrats on this issue, that's your perogative.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by August

I don't know where you have been the last few years but Obama has done everything within his power to ban guns. He's made pro gun control speeches across the country, he taken executive actions including banning the re-import of US made rifles like the Garand (a far cry from an RPG) and has been an advocate for just about every gun grabbing group and gun grabbing scheme to come along.
Just because he has (so far) failed doesn't mean he didn't and hasn't continued to try.

That is not however to say he is the soul of the anti-gun movement but he is a strong proponent of it. That cannot be denied.

But when it comes to laws enacted, he has done nothing, all gun controls have come locally in my case.

Once again, not defending him, I got my issues with him, but guns is not one of them.

His Obamacare is rubbish, his passiveness with Russia and China is another issue, but guns, he has been ok on, its the local legislators that crippled me . Jersey despite Chris Christie is a heavy democrat state, and well....Ya know how they can be August.

(democrats own the legislature here)

[August]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

But when it comes to laws enacted, he has done nothing, all gun controls have come locally in my case.

Once again, not defending him, I got my issues with him, but guns is not one of them.

His Obamacare is rubbish, his passiveness with Russia and China is another issue, but guns, he has been ok on, its the local legislators that crippled me . Jersey despite Chris Christie is a heavy democrat state, and well....Ya know how they can be August.

(democrats own the legislature here)

Well I agree that he has so far met with failure but it's not for lack of trying. I guess however that is better than had he been successful.

[soopaman2]

Ducimus, I am a weird Liberal.

I llike taking care of poor folks, but I hate my liberties being stepped on in the name of some people having zero discipline.

They want to ban guns because they cannot control the illeagal element that gets them, so they do some feelgood law to ban lawful owners. That is why libs annoy me.

Then I go look at the repubs, and see religion, and Jesus, and racism....Err not my cup of tea, and a screw the poor, feed the corporate mentality.

Demoncraps got some things I like, but Republicons got things I like too.

I want a party that splits the 2, states rights, but justice for all.


Too much to ask, I suppose.

( no slavery, gonna have to secede to get that done.)

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I llike taking care of poor folks, but I hate my liberties being stepped on in the name of some people having zero discipline.

But are your liberties not stepped on when your forced to take care of poor folks?

Demoncraps got some things I like, but Republicons got things I like too.
I want a party that splits the 2, states rights, but justice for all.
Too much to ask, I suppose.

Here is where I disagree with you. The heck with a "party". Either go "unaffiliated" or "independent". Half the problems in government would be solved if those in government were less concerned with the "party" and more concerned with the people.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Ducimus, I am a weird Liberal.

I llike taking care of poor folks, but I hate my liberties being stepped on in the name of some people having zero discipline.

They want to ban guns because they cannot control the illeagal element that gets them, so they do some feelgood law to ban lawful owners. That is why libs annoy me.

Then I go look at the repubs, and see religion, and Jesus, and racism....Err not my cup of tea, and a screw the poor, feed the corporate mentality.

Demoncraps got some things I like, but Republicons got things I like too.

I want a party that splits the 2, states rights, but justice for all.


Too much to ask, I suppose.

( no slavery, gonna have to secede to get that done.)

Well, we have our disagreements, we have our agreements, and you have my respect. I do wonder if your having a "political identity crises" for want of a better term. I say this only because I find I have leanings towards libertarianism, and I often see you displaying similar leanings.

Over the years I have gotten all kinds of labels on this forum. Ive sided with Democrats on some issues. I've sided with Republicans on other issues. I've had hardline lefty's on this forum proclaim me a hardliner republican, and i wouldn't doubt if i've been accused of being a hardliner lefty by a hardliner republican in the past.

In any event, given all that has happened this last year or two, between the NDAA, patriot act, NSA, attempts at the second amendment, etc, all of which raised my awareness to other civil liberty issues, and I find that I am very much a one issue voter. Our natural rights as enumerated by the US Constitution. It is my belief we live in an age that will be formative for successive generations, and if they have the same rights and freedoms that we were born with or not.

Our rights as enumerated in the constitution is an interwoven tapestry. You pull on one, and another will start to fray. That is why fighting for things like the second amendment, is so vitally important, and something often overlooked by the anti-gun crowd. I am often puzzled at how they would advocate to limit their own liberties simply because they choose not to exercise one of them. My view is the second, is much like the first. You don't have to agree with what their saying, but you should defend their right to say it.

Rights are boolean. You either have them, or you don't.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Over the years I have gotten all kinds of labels on this forum. Ive sided with Democrats on some issues. I've sided with Republicans on other issues. I've had hardline lefty's on this forum proclaim me a hardliner republican, and i wouldn't doubt if i've been accused of being a hardliner lefty by a hardliner republican in the past.

Well there is the problem - your one of them wishy-washy people who can't toe either party line!

Seriously - people that go issue by issue, stance by stance - are those that have a chance to save this nation. Sure, we might disagree on stuff - but toeing the party line doesn't help the nation - it only helps the party.

And I don't want this nation to be equated to a "Party". So good on ya!

[Ducimus]

I label people too, so not really.