[REL] Open Horizons II

[Silent Steel]

Володя,

По-моему ты всё правильно понял! Ну, всё-таки всё дело печальное.

Я, искренно люблю русского народа ну сейчас я не уверен что всё что произходит на Крыме по международным законам и правилам

Можно я (и западная Европа) ошибались, не знаю

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by Silent Steel

Володя,
По-моему ты всё правильно понял! Ну, всё-таки всё дело печальное.
Я, искренно люблю русского народа ну сейчас я не уверен что всё что произходит на Крыме и по международным законам и правилам
Можно я (и западная Европа) ошибались, не знаю

Thank you Stephen for your kind words and your support.. I don't think you or EU are wrong.. unfortunately most people in my country still don't understand what's going on.. they listen to propaganda and think in Ukraine the Nazis came to power.. old Soviet slogans (from my childhood) sound everywhere.. it's very sad.. my country attacked the brotherly people at a time when they need help.. this is real crime..

but there still is another Russia.. and we are sorry and ashamed..

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Thank you Stephen for your kind words and your support.. I don't think you or EU are wrong.. unfortunately most people in my country still don't understand what's going on.. they listen to propaganda and think in Ukraine the Nazis came to power.. old Soviet slogans (from my childhood) sound everywhere.. it's very sad.. my country attacked the brotherly people at a time when they need help.. this is real crime..

but there still is another Russia.. and we are sorry and ashamed..

Крепко обнимаю твою народу!

Just let me know when and if you want me to pick you and your family up, my sails are, due to the mild winter, already up.
I hope it won't be necessary, I'd rather join you up there in good old Russia.

I told ya before - your vacation here is free of charge, including family

[Tonci87]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Thank you Stephen for your kind words and your support.. I don't think you or EU are wrong.. unfortunately most people in my country still don't understand what's going on.. they listen to propaganda and think in Ukraine the Nazis came to power.. old Soviet slogans (from my childhood) sound everywhere.. it's very sad.. my country attacked the brotherly people at a time when they need help.. this is real crime..

but there still is another Russia.. and we are sorry and ashamed..

No need to apologize. I think everyone knows that not every Russian thinks like Putin. And yes those old soviet propaganda slogans are terrible. It was the same when Croatia declared it´s independence. Serb and Russian propaganda immediately declared every Croat to be a fashist.

[limkol]

Don't know what was said in Russian further up, but I hope you guys are all ok in the light of the recent events. Whatever flag is flown above your heads, I know you to be decent people and fellow subsim men. All the best of luck. Hope things turn out ok for you and your families.

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by volodya61

... they listen to propaganda and think in Ukraine the Nazis came to power.. old Soviet slogans (from my childhood) (my childhood too) sound everywhere.. it's very sad.. my country attacked the brotherly people at a time when they need help.. this is real crime..

but there still is another Russia.. and we are sorry and ashamed..

This, what you tell, makes my belief even more 'определенный' so to say.

Stay in close contact mate!

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by limkol

...I hope you guys are all ok in the light of the recent events. Whatever flag is flown above your heads, I know you to be decent people and fellow subsim men...

I assure you we are more than decent. Just horrified bythe ongoing development in Krimea.
Please, support and praise Volodya for his wisdom

After living 5 years in Ukraine I'll NEVER accept anythything of the kind Putin is offering.
I'm already going there - tomorrow.
I'll stay in touch, mates.


BTW

In case you like Nirvana, listen to this;

Patti Smith rules

[flamm]

Volodya, you must change your sig from "Where does human stupidity end?" to "Where does human meanness end?"
That phrase much better describes all you wrote here.

И покажи мне, пожалуйста, хоть одного заключенного, посаженного в России за политические взгляды.
А еще лучше - поезжай в Крым и расскажи там людям сказку про "злого оккупанта Путина"...

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by flamm

Volodya, you must change your sig from "Where does human stupidity end?" to "Where does human meanness end?"
That phrase much better describes all you wrote here.

I'm sorry I insulted your idol Putin

Originally Posted by flamm

И покажи мне, пожалуйста, хоть одного заключенного, посаженного в России за политические взгляды.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/russia/...sentence.shtml
думаю, список заблокированных сайтов и закрытых СМИ приводить не надо.. ты вроде умеешь читать..

Originally Posted by flamm

А еще лучше - поезжай в Крым и расскажи там людям сказку про "злого оккупанта Путина"...

а зачем туда ехать? Россия нарушила все подписанные ранее договора..

PACTA SUNT SERVANDA

PS: а сказку, в которую они попали, жители Крыма прочувствуют через некоторое время, когда у них начнут отжимать бизнес и земли для строительства новых дворцов 'освободителя' и его челяди.. или когда получат пенсии и зарплаты в три раза больше и заплатят за коммуналку в четыре-пять раз больше..

[vdr1981]

What are you doing people??

Why we must read this kind of political arguments at subsim??

[flamm]

Володя, заметь - я не говорил, что Путин - мой идол. Типичная уловка белоленточника - навесить ярлык и от него плясать. Не надо пытаться со мной играть в эти игры.
Болотная никакого отношения к политическим взглядам не имеет. Эти пляски пятой колонны суть бунт ради бунта под чужую дудку.
Может и пусей зря посадили, а?
Я бы еще "Новую Газету" и "Эхо Москвы" закрыл, например. Ибо брешут как дышат.

Зачем тебе ехать в Крым? Ну, не знаю - может, чтобы понять, что оккупантов обычно не встречают размахиванием флагов и народными гуляниями? Или что Крым сам обратился к России за помощью.

Какие нормы и договора нарушены Россией?
Российские войска всегда находились в Крыму легально, согласно договору с Украиной (до 25000 человек личного состава).

PS Sorry to all. Closing the conversation.
Just tired of all the lies about russian invasion to Ukraine.

[Targor Avelany]

You know, I hate politics. Especially this time. Putin, Europe, NA.. In this conflic - they all idiots. And Ukrain is not helping this as they can't decide for themselve like they did couple of years ago, when the entire country decided that the election was a bull**** and stood up to say that... And ALL LISTENED.

But.... Can we not discuss it all here please? As I said, I hate politics from the bottom of my heart. And it is definately not the reason why I come to this forum.

[Sailor Steve]

Subsim has a General Topics section for the discussion of political matter, and such matter is not welcome in the game forums. Please stick to the topic at hand.

[Jimbuna]

Can we all stay on topic and I also think it would be helpful to all members of the community if the text was in English, after all this is a predominantly English forum.

[Hiding]

Может, хватит политики? Она и так со всех сторон изливается! Все что происходит - суть возня властьпридержащих! Народ страдать будет. а кто и что... мы - тут. Это - главное

Maybe enough of politics? She's on all sides poured! Everything that happens - are scuffling those who are at the helm! People will suffer. and who and what we ... - here. This - the main