Firearms yes or no

[JetSnake]

Originally Posted by micky1up

and one wrong makes the other wrong more right? listen to yourself the gun companies can make firearms safer the technology is thier to do it untill this ugly preventable thing happens to you and your close family you will content yourself to be an ostritch and bury your head in the sand

My family and I will defend ourselves with our own firearms if something like this ever occured. Sorry, but I will take it upon myself instead of waiting two hours for the police to save me. What is this technology you speak of that makes firearms more safer?
There are thousands of gun laws in the US now that obviously won't stop criminals from doing what they want to do . How will adding a few more do any good?

Anti-gun laws are the reasons this turned out to be such a tragedy with massive loss of life. If there were a few people with concealed carry weapons, this shooter could have been stopped. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by micky1up

sorry my meaning is that you gun culture is the biggest threat to you own nation in fact it the biggest threat you have ever faced and its your own culture thats nurturing it

I don't think it's the gun culture, per se. I do, however, think it's the violence culture. That's far from limited to guns. Cause: massive breakdown in the moral fabric of society.

BTW, irony. I personally am neither for or against gun control, since I have yet to hear a totally convincing argument in either direction.

[micky1up]

Originally Posted by JetSnake

My family and I will defend ourselves with our own firearms if something like this ever occured. Sorry, but I will take it upon myself instead of waiting two hours for the police to save me. What is this technology you speak of that makes firearms more safer?
There are thousands of gun laws in the US now that obviously won't stop criminals from doing what they want to do . How will adding a few more do any good?

Anti-gun laws are the reasons this turned out to be such a tragedy with massive loss of life. If there were a few people with concealed carry weapons, this shooter could have been stopped. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

and where were the guns in defence today like i said even in this country the uK criminals have always had access to guns , i would bet the person that did this up untill this event never committed a criminal act in his life but when he went beserk he had clear unobstructed access to the tools of what is now the death of 32 people what evr you say you cannot defend the gun companys they can make fire arms safein families for children with the gip activated pitol kids arent strong enough to activate em then thirs electronic fingerprint activation so only the owner of said weapon can fire it these can be used to reduce joe publics accidental deaths but hardend criminals are not the ones going into schools and blowing away people by the dozens are thy

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by micky1up

sorry my meaning is that you gun culture is the biggest threat to you own nation in fact it the biggest threat you have ever faced and its your own culture thats nurturing it

Actually, I don't think so. If you look at the numbers, the places where guns are not permitted are the very same places where crime is off the charts. That is why I am a strong advocate of guns. THey seem to keep the crime down to near minimal levels, especially violent crime. If you compare violent crime to the UK crime numbers, the places with gun control in place have crime numbers that are equal or higher than the UK, vs places where guns are permitted where the crime numbers are only a fraction of the UK.

The US Supreme Courts website has the numbers for comparing across the board between the US and UK if you're interested. I have to go find a report to find the state by state numbers for comparrison though. If you google it, you should be able to find it though.

-S

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[August]

Originally Posted by micky1up

i dont think gangs are it the american way of life thats the biggest threat to america get rid of the weapons that are used in this

And just how do you propose to achieve that? A door to door search?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Bump

Just great - bringing this thread back. It is so long, I doubt I would ever bother to catch up reading on it.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Just great - bringing this thread back. It is so long, I doubt I would ever bother to catch up reading on it.

Sounded like the debate has come up anew. Rather than start it over again I believe many folks are on record here.

[micky1up]

i think after today the arguement that having more guns controls the guncrimes is now pardon the pun shot a resounding no

[August]

Originally Posted by micky1up

i think after today the arguement that having more guns controls the guncrimes is now pardon the pun shot a resounding no

You don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by August

You don't know what you're talking about.

micky1up knows what he is talking about from his perspective. Unfortunately it is based on emotion, which clouds his judgement. It is too early to tell what the gunman was all about but my understanding is that on Friday 13 APR, a bomb threat was phoned into VT. From my perspective, if Gov't entities were able to protect me, a much higher state of alert would have been broadcast and this would never have happened because every student would have been on alert and a large police presence would have been afforded.

Unfortunately Gov't cannot and will not protect individuals, not even 35 individuals. You are on your own. In the face of certain death another option (other than Gov't intervention) is always a benefit.

[August]

It's a short article Gizzmoe and very much on topic.

This was in Virginia.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

Gun bill gets shot down by panel
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

By Greg Esposito
381-1675

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

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[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by micky1up

i think after today the arguement that having more guns controls the guncrimes is now pardon the pun shot a resounding no

I'd have to say a resounding yes. Obviously the gov can't protect me in time to stop me, or 30 other of my fellow man from being done in by some crazy, so your answer must be based on emotion, not logic.

-S

[Fish]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

[ Cause: massive breakdown in the moral fabric of society.

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Most americans tell moral in europe (Amsterdam) is much lower, then why don't we have such shootings overhere?

[Puster Bill]

Originally Posted by Fish

Most americans tell moral in europe (Amsterdam) is much lower, then why don't we have such shootings overhere?

Nations that have a low homicide rate tend to have a high suicide rate, and vice-versa. When you add the two together, calling it, say, 'intentional death', it tends to even out.

There are some exceptions, obviously, and it isn't a perfect correlation, but interesting nonetheless.