Rundown On Qualifications

Lanzfeld · 02-02-07, 05:28 PM

Just trying to get the latest on the 9 qualifications in the game and what they REALLY do. Please feel free to comment on what I write below as this is a quest for the truth dammit. I don't trust the manual at all.

1. Helm: From what I have read it does absolutly NOTHING so it is a waste of a qual to use.

2. Funk (S): Does this really improve the chances of your sonorman detecting sounds? I don't think it does anything for the radio (can still transmit and recieve messages) until maybe there is a radar?

3. Medical: This will heal a wounded man if in same compartment but does it also spped up fatigue recovery or is that just rumor?

4. Torpedo: I assume it speeds up reload time?

5. Machine: Now this one bothers me a little. We all know that if you dont have enough "green bar" in the engine rooms you will lose power. But that is no problem just put normal sailors in there and use your alloted qualifications for better things. Why give a guy a machine rating? Does it make the sub run faster? Is this for real or no?:hmm:

6. Repair. I assume that this speeds up repair of the boat which makes it very important? Please comment.

7. Gunner: Improves chance of hit with deck gun?

8. Flak Gunner: Improves chance of hit with flak?

9. Watch: Does this REALLY improve your chances of the watch spotting inbound ships and aircraft? I thought I read in NYGM somewhere that spotting wasnt related to this. Also, in real life the watch crew was 1 officer and 4 sailors. I tried this for awhile to try to be realistic but because the way that sailors recover from fatigue (efficiency) slower then the warrents I have switched to 2 warrents (watch quals) and two sailors per watch. What do you guys do?

Please give your knowledge!

Brag · 02-02-07, 05:42 PM

In my experience: Machinists hrelp a lot (just watch the green bar above the compartment when you put different, qualified, experinced personnel into a compartment. Torpedomen will do the same. Have a gunner PO and gunner Watch officer and see how much more accurate your deck gun is. The repair specialities are critical have at least one officer and a PO with this speciality.

Yes, they do work!
I don't know about the helm. Don't seem to make much difference.
Flack is a waste because it doesn't work well--Dive!
I try to get them in this order: machinist, repair, gunner, repair, machinist, torpedo

bigboywooly · 02-02-07, 05:46 PM

1. Helm: From what I have read it does absolutly NOTHING so it is a waste of a qual to use.

Yep seems a waste to me also

2. Funk (S): Does this really improve the chances of your sonorman detecting sounds? I don't think it does anything for the radio (can still transmit and recieve messages) until maybe there is a radar? It does help with both sonar and radar detection - a qualified operator is likely to hear\spot something quicker and further away

3. Medical: This will heal a wounded man if in same compartment but does it also spped up fatigue recovery or is that just rumor?

Yes it does speed up fatigue recovery in my experiance

4. Torpedo: I assume it speeds up reload time? Yep - also needs less men to fill the green bar

5. Machine: Now this one bothers me a little. We all know that if you dont have enough "green bar" in the engine rooms you will lose power. But that is no problem just put normal sailors in there and use your alloted qualifications for better things. Why give a guy a machine rating? Does it make the sub run faster? Is this for real or no?:hmm: Doesnt make the sub run faster but as with the torp qual above - less men will fill the green bar so you can have both compartments filled if you want and if you lose any crew it doesnt affect the subs running

6. Repair. I assume that this speeds up repair of the boat which makes it very important? Please comment. Aye it does - as with all compartments the fuller the green bar the quicker things happen

7. Gunner: Improves chance of hit with deck gun?

Yep

8. Flak Gunner: Improves chance of hit with flak?

And yep again

9. Watch: Does this REALLY improve your chances of the watch spotting inbound ships and aircraft? I thought I read in NYGM somewhere that spotting wasnt related to this. Also, in real life the watch crew was 1 officer and 4 sailors. I tried this for awhile to try to be realistic but because the way that sailors recover from fatigue (efficiency) slower then the warrents I have switched to 2 warrents (watch quals) and two sailors per watch. What do you guys do? I usually have a watch qualified Officer and a couple of crew later on when can
IMHO it does help with spotting targets

FIREWALL · 02-02-07, 05:58 PM

Hi Guys

Where is the best place to put repair po ?

WinterMute · 02-02-07, 06:11 PM

Besides everything described by bigboywooly, all qualifications do matter if you are using a fatigue model. I am using RuB model and it really helps to have a qualified officer with Maschinist ability when you are trying to get back home after 30 day long patrol with exhausted crew. Being unable to complete enough workforce to keep diesel engines running can be a real pain in the ass.

In situation like this even Helmsman ability can be useful.

BTW, I didn't check it, but it may be that having unfilled green bar at helms station affects diving, turning and accelerating times.

Lanzfeld · 02-02-07, 06:51 PM

I think that the helm make no difference to turning and diving times. I have tested that. The helm position can be manned by the lowest sailors you have and never rest them. They will all be covered with an "E" yet the sub dives at the same time.

A real shame as this helm qualification would have been a perfect way to vary the crash dive times. Devs dropped the ball here.

I am using NYGM so the green bar means nothing to me. I guess that is why I didnt see a need for machine qual guys.

But even if the green bar in the engine room drops to half and the engines are still running then what is the advantage to having the green bar higher??? I mean....the engines are either running or they are not....right?

bigboywooly · 02-02-07, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

I think that the helm make no difference to turning and diving times. I have tested that. The helm position can be manned by the lowest sailors you have and never rest them. They will all be covered with an "E" yet the sub dives at the same time.

A real shame as this helm qualification would have been a perfect way to vary the crash dive times. Devs dropped the ball here.

I am using NYGM so the green bar means nothing to me. I guess that is why I didnt see a need for machine qual guys.

But even if the green bar in the engine room drops to half and the engines are still running then what is the advantage to having the green bar higher??? I mean....the engines are either running or they are not....right?

True
But as your crew tire the bar will drop till it gets to a point the engines wont work
If you have a full bar with only half the compartmant full ( men with machine qual ) then it will run longer plus you will have more crew resting to swop over

Lanzfeld · 02-02-07, 06:59 PM

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: Thanks BigBoyWooly

Wooly....do you use sailors or warrants for the watch...or a combination?

Anyone else have "top secret" knowledge of qualifications?

I do wish that NYGM had the green bars so I could measure the "completeness" of the compartment.

02-02-07, 05:28 PM	#1
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Rundown On Qualifications Just trying to get the latest on the 9 qualifications in the game and what they REALLY do. Please feel free to comment on what I write below as this is a quest for the truth dammit. I don't trust the manual at all. 1. Helm: From what I have read it does absolutly NOTHING so it is a waste of a qual to use. 2. Funk (S): Does this really improve the chances of your sonorman detecting sounds? I don't think it does anything for the radio (can still transmit and recieve messages) until maybe there is a radar? 3. Medical: This will heal a wounded man if in same compartment but does it also spped up fatigue recovery or is that just rumor? 4. Torpedo: I assume it speeds up reload time? 5. Machine: Now this one bothers me a little. We all know that if you dont have enough "green bar" in the engine rooms you will lose power. But that is no problem just put normal sailors in there and use your alloted qualifications for better things. Why give a guy a machine rating? Does it make the sub run faster? Is this for real or no?:hmm: 6. Repair. I assume that this speeds up repair of the boat which makes it very important? Please comment. 7. Gunner: Improves chance of hit with deck gun? 8. Flak Gunner: Improves chance of hit with flak? 9. Watch: Does this REALLY improve your chances of the watch spotting inbound ships and aircraft? I thought I read in NYGM somewhere that spotting wasnt related to this. Also, in real life the watch crew was 1 officer and 4 sailors. I tried this for awhile to try to be realistic but because the way that sailors recover from fatigue (efficiency) slower then the warrents I have switched to 2 warrents (watch quals) and two sailors per watch. What do you guys do? Please give your knowledge!

02-02-07, 05:42 PM	#2
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	In my experience: Machinists hrelp a lot (just watch the green bar above the compartment when you put different, qualified, experinced personnel into a compartment. Torpedomen will do the same. Have a gunner PO and gunner Watch officer and see how much more accurate your deck gun is. The repair specialities are critical have at least one officer and a PO with this speciality. Yes, they do work! I don't know about the helm. Don't seem to make much difference. Flack is a waste because it doesn't work well--Dive! I try to get them in this order: machinist, repair, gunner, repair, machinist, torpedo __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

02-02-07, 05:46 PM	#3
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	1. Helm: From what I have read it does absolutly NOTHING so it is a waste of a qual to use. Yep seems a waste to me also 2. Funk (S): Does this really improve the chances of your sonorman detecting sounds? I don't think it does anything for the radio (can still transmit and recieve messages) until maybe there is a radar? It does help with both sonar and radar detection - a qualified operator is likely to hear\spot something quicker and further away 3. Medical: This will heal a wounded man if in same compartment but does it also spped up fatigue recovery or is that just rumor? Yes it does speed up fatigue recovery in my experiance 4. Torpedo: I assume it speeds up reload time? Yep - also needs less men to fill the green bar 5. Machine: Now this one bothers me a little. We all know that if you dont have enough "green bar" in the engine rooms you will lose power. But that is no problem just put normal sailors in there and use your alloted qualifications for better things. Why give a guy a machine rating? Does it make the sub run faster? Is this for real or no?:hmm: Doesnt make the sub run faster but as with the torp qual above - less men will fill the green bar so you can have both compartments filled if you want and if you lose any crew it doesnt affect the subs running 6. Repair. I assume that this speeds up repair of the boat which makes it very important? Please comment. Aye it does - as with all compartments the fuller the green bar the quicker things happen 7. Gunner: Improves chance of hit with deck gun? Yep 8. Flak Gunner: Improves chance of hit with flak? And yep again 9. Watch: Does this REALLY improve your chances of the watch spotting inbound ships and aircraft? I thought I read in NYGM somewhere that spotting wasnt related to this. Also, in real life the watch crew was 1 officer and 4 sailors. I tried this for awhile to try to be realistic but because the way that sailors recover from fatigue (efficiency) slower then the warrents I have switched to 2 warrents (watch quals) and two sailors per watch. What do you guys do? I usually have a watch qualified Officer and a couple of crew later on when can IMHO it does help with spotting targets __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41 Last edited by bigboywooly; 02-02-07 at 06:53 PM.

02-02-07, 05:58 PM	#4
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Hi Guys Where is the best place to put repair po ? __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

02-02-07, 06:11 PM	#5
WinterMute Watch Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Besides everything described by bigboywooly, all qualifications do matter if you are using a fatigue model. I am using RuB model and it really helps to have a qualified officer with Maschinist ability when you are trying to get back home after 30 day long patrol with exhausted crew. Being unable to complete enough workforce to keep diesel engines running can be a real pain in the ass. In situation like this even Helmsman ability can be useful. BTW, I didn't check it, but it may be that having unfilled green bar at helms station affects diving, turning and accelerating times. __________________

02-02-07, 06:51 PM	#6
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	I think that the helm make no difference to turning and diving times. I have tested that. The helm position can be manned by the lowest sailors you have and never rest them. They will all be covered with an "E" yet the sub dives at the same time. A real shame as this helm qualification would have been a perfect way to vary the crash dive times. Devs dropped the ball here. I am using NYGM so the green bar means nothing to me. I guess that is why I didnt see a need for machine qual guys. But even if the green bar in the engine room drops to half and the engines are still running then what is the advantage to having the green bar higher??? I mean....the engines are either running or they are not....right?

02-02-07, 06:59 PM	#8
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: Thanks BigBoyWooly Wooly....do you use sailors or warrants for the watch...or a combination? Anyone else have "top secret" knowledge of qualifications? I do wish that NYGM had the green bars so I could measure the "completeness" of the compartment.