US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Catfish]

I will not look for "evidence" in your Fox News, Breitbart, blah et al conspiracy sites, thank you.

Regarding your second 'argument', ok let's say they are both serial killers.
One is an incompetent unsympathetic idiot serial killer, while the other is a polite and sympathetic serial killer.
Who do you choose? Pest or cholera?

Did you just say the incumbent and coming US presidents are serial killers?

[mapuc]

Which kind of USA will we see in 1,2 or 4 years from now ?

USA will change.
Question is to what. Will it be a stronger nationen or a weaker nation under Biden ?

It's going to be interesting to follow your country the next 4 years. In the news and here on this forum(GT)

Markus

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I will not look for "evidence" in your Fox News, Breitbart, blah et al conspiracy sites, thank you.

You don't have to. I didn't.

Regarding your second 'argument', ok let's say they are both serial killers. One is an incompetent unsympathetic idiot serial killer, while the other is a polite and sympathetic serial killer.

You are stretching the bounds of logic to avoid calling them both serial killers. You can do it if you try.

[Skybird]

Trump has justified to break one of America's most sacred norms:


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...sident/616804/


Immunity must end with the end of term, else you declare the subject a king, a deity.



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"I am immune" - Did he really only talk about his Corona infection?


https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...mmunity-430928

[Catfish]

@Skybird: Trump is a king? Trump is god.



They should not have blended in the choirs and music, she is doing it all herself.
I have no idea how anyone who is religious could fall for a "televangelist" [sic!!] like that.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by August

Welp it's looking more and more like you foreigners will have another 4 years to complain about Trump.

Well, this aged like milk.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Skybird: Trump is a king? Trump is god.

Hell, I did not know that, somehow I missed that.

Even as an atheist I find this - this strange walking voice-body-thing an obscenety, and a carricature of a living thing.

What planet did you say she came from?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well, this aged like milk.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

[skidman]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

You can be certain the GOP will do all they can to block Biden's agenda and make him a one term president.

I have to admit I don't know why foreigners are so happy about Biden. You have to be pretty naive to think there will be substantial changes in U.S. foreign policy. For example, Biden will still try to kill Nord Stream 2 and pressure the Germans to stop being freeloaders and contribute their fair share to NATO.

Of course Biden will be a one term President, I can not see him running for a second term.

One thing we have learned in the last couple of days is a lot of people didn't vote for Biden, they voted against Trump. So in the last two elections the one that came trough was considered the lesser of two evils. What's interesting is this: Clinton didn't make it, cause she was seen as a member of the abhorrent political establishment. Obviously Biden's middle name is establishment. So what's the difference? This is it:

"Ding-dong, the jerk is gone. Finally, we have come to the end of Donald Trump’s season of extreme misrule. Voters have rejected what can only be described as the crassest, vainest, stupidest, most dysfunctional leadership this country has ever suffered." Thomas Frank, The Guardian

And regarding Biden's foreign policy: We shall wait and see. I expect him to act, negotiate, make compromises like politicians do, not like a bulldozer on steroids. That will make him predictable. We foreigners can expect not to be treated like a bunch of idiots any longer and this will help a lot to advance for mutual benefit.

[mapuc]

I say one of these 20 members who had picked Biden as winner in our "Who do you think... " shall have the bragging right 1 year ahead.

So a majority of the American people is celebrating.

I will not hear a word, not even a itchy tiny letter of complain the next four years...You knew what type of President Trump was and what kind of politics he had and what he had done to USA economically, furthermore there was many more candidate than Biden among the Democrats and Biden was chosen to lead USA the next 4 years or more.

A voter have a responsibility and it's not a responsibility to protest continuously, but a responsibility to do the right for the country...which mean no voting in some cases, if none of politician is qualified to lead and protect the country and the people within

I presume the voters have been thinking a lot before making their choice in the voting booth.

(Don't take it litterally)

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by skidman

Of course Biden will be a one term President, I can not see him running for a second term.

And regarding Biden's foreign policy: We shall wait and see. I expect him to act, negotiate, make compromises like politicians do, not like a bulldozer on steroids.

Perhaps even less than one term after he gets everything swinging in the right direction and then he turns the WH over to Harris.
Did you notice how her outfits changed from humble dress to rich outfits?

SOS has not been announced yet, but letting Obama back into the inner circles would not surprise me.

Something big is brewing here stayed tuned for the truth that this is no ordinary election of which I have finally figured out why I and many
other Christians prophesied that Trump would win the WH in 2020.

My God does not lose elections ... He sent a lying spirit into the mouths of all the prophets that prophesied that Trump would be the next POTUS.

I was one of them

[Skybird]

From the closed election thread.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Well of course. There will always be questions about this election. Dimocrats never accepted the 2016 election results and always viewed Trump as an illegitimate President.

The irony is Trump never accepted the 2016 results either. He just could not imagine that he lost the popular vote, in the trumpverse such a possibility does not exist: its against trumpverse's naturals laws. A trumpverse has only one nucleus: a socalled trump (thus no plural for that word).

You can be certain the GOP will do all they can to block Biden's agenda and make him a one term president.

Indeed, the destruction and war-at-all-costs will continue, the precious republican ego has suffered what it sees as a big bruise and offence,. retaliation mjst be promised, revenge mist be taken. Mitch McConnell, the man who said during impeachment and before that he does not care for truth and evidence but will bail out Trump at any cirucmstance, no matter the evidence, at any cost, NO MATTER WHAT, already said that the senate if led by Republicans will completely boycott and totally block Biden on each and everything. Total blockade. That asks one question for the American people: "Wollt ihr wirklich den totalen Krieg?" This time they do not invade and occupy and destroy some other foreign country - but their own.

I have to admit I don't know why foreigners are so happy about Biden. You have to be pretty naive to think there will be substantial changes in U.S. foreign policy. For example, Biden will still try to kill Nord Stream 2 and pressure the Germans to stop being freeloaders and contribute their fair share to NATO.

Here we do absolutely agree. There indeed are quite some people over here who think that with Biden comes a change in political doctrine and priorities, on the other hand there are also not few who see that this is unlikely to happen. Manners, tone and style will chnage for the better, the diplomatric handgreande lobbing will end - but Biden pretty muich follows the basic orientation of US foreign policy, and that is turning away from Europe - a development alreeady starting under Clinton and being continued by Bush jr. and Obama, and under Obama quite obviously already. Seeing that Merkel seems to have started to be a bit disconnected from reality (her Corona handling imo turns worse and worse and lacks any longterm plan or perspective) and the goivenr,ment members being plagued by dangerous illusions and megalomaniac (EU and Germany being the moral role models for the world and the world following EU's climate dictate) and a big dose of I think intellectual under-performance), I am pessimistic about the germans in special beign capable to adapt to the "real reality" instead of handling just their own imagnery model idea of reality as they wish it should be like, but isn't. I use to say the Germans are hysteric romanticists, remember? And once again they will pay dearly for this character trait.

On Nord Stream 2, two thign shappened that work for America. Navalny, and Biden. Without Nawalny and without Biden beign elected, Washington would have bitten on granite this time, too much we are pissed by the obvious doiuble standard and split tongue,m since this US demand to satop it is for wantign to sell own US gas instead of Europe buying Russian gas, evertyhign else is just coverup and propaganda. Its all about money, plain and simple. So, indeed possible that Nord Stream 2 will not survive assassination atempt of Nawalny and support for Biden. But the german psoition on Russian assassination atepts in the past alrteady has been contradiuctory and opportunistic, so its too early to bet money on the outcome of Nord Stream 2. Personally, I totally oppose the US demand, it is unappropriate and economcially and ecologically illogical for us and is to our disadvantage and hugely raised costs.

I must admit the bigger pride of the French for exmaple, leading them to resist the US more stubbornly, impresses me more than the Germans' daydreaming and cowardly opportunism. Same to be said about the cultural identity feeling in eastern Europe, i may not like the potlical condensates, but for the general attitude to insist on "we are we - not somebody else wanting what is ours" I have great sympathy. Thje eU policy on ths eissues reminds way too much of Sovjet resettlkement progrma d, culturla wengineering and social engineeriung to create the ideal servile and obedient Sovjet citizen that can better be controlled by the state's sovereigns. The EU is destroying Europe: its histolrically grown identity and diversity, its comeptitions that gave rise to excellence and - well, competition, its cultural development and values, repalicjng it all with brain-childs of desktop-offenders., central papnners and left-leaning social engineers plannign the idela citizen design for endlessly legitimising, praising and supporting the EU.
A very lot reminds of the Sovjet Union already, I must say. The physicla brutlaity and violence may not be there, but the psychological pressure is intense, and the legal blackmailing and social pressure for compliance even more.

[mapuc]

For how long is Trump the President..I know Biden has to take the oath Jan. 20 2021. Is Trump President until then.

How much power has he from now until then(Jan. 20 2021).

Earlier today I was thinking, what if Trump in his rage due to having lost the election decide to leave the White House with a bang..meaning let Biden take over a country at war with Iran and/or NK.

Trump hasn't start any war and I don't think he as any intention to do so, but can he give an attack order, now that he has lost the election ?

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Hell, I did not know that, somehow I missed that.

Even as an atheist I find this - this strange walking voice-body-thing an obscenety, and a carricature of a living thing.

What planet did you say she came from?

One scam artist to another scam artist. Omg, the fruitcakes in this world.

Originally Posted by mapuc

For how long is Trump the President..I know Biden has to take the oath Jan. 20 2021. Is Trump President until then.


Trump hasn't start any war and I don't think he as any intention to do so, but can he give an attack order, now that he has lost the election ?

Markus

I would give Trump credit as the least militarist President since Hoover.