US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by August

Hey i'm making no claims, politics is a rough business. I'm just checking off the score.

HBO movie of the week in 2025 "Clinton Chronicles"

Read all about the theory that men in black were seen knocking on all of the doors of the men and women that stood in the Clinton's way.

In other news today: www.funnyfakemedia.com

Washington Times report the findings of two men dressed in black without their shoes on laying beside the Potomac River in an attempted double suicide.

[eddie]

Trump running scared now!?! Wants to get rid of Mueller maybe, Sessions too, then pardon everybody involved. What a complete asshat he is,lol Poor Donnie boy, getting too close to the truth, as far as he's concerned. Paranoid delusional, bests describes Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ion/ar-AAows5X

[em2nought]

Somebody has been watching "The View" too much.

[vienna]

The real tragic comedy is the real life interview Trump gave to the New York Times (yes, the very same Trump-described "failing New York Times") in which Trump exhibits again his remarkable lack of knowledge of any subjects of import one would expect of a US President and his penchant for giving himself enough rope to hang himself; after denying, in past statements, that he ever demanded a 'loyalty pledge' from former FBI Director James Comey, he now goes on record saying he would never have appointed Jeff Sessions as Attorney-General if he knew Sessions was going to recuse himself fom the Russian investigation(s):

Excerpts From The Times’s Interview With Trump--

(Note: The link is to the NYT transcript of the Trump interview and the term "Excerpts" refers to the fact the transcript is not complete in the fact it does not include portions of the interview that were deemed as off the record by the Trump Administration and non-interview topic asides; all other text is intact.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/u...ranscript.html

SCHMIDT: Was that [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions’s mistake or [Deputy Attorney General Rod J.] Rosenstein’s mistake?

________

TRUMP: Look, Sessions gets the job. Right after he gets the job, he recuses himself.

BAKER: Was that a mistake?

TRUMP: Well, Sessions should have never recused himself, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job, and I would have picked somebody else.

HABERMAN: He gave you no heads up at all, in any sense?

TRUMP: Zero. So Jeff Sessions takes the job, gets into the job, recuses himself. I then have — which, frankly, I think is very unfair to the president. How do you take a job and then recuse yourself? If he would have recused himself before the job, I would have said, “Thanks, Jeff, but I can’t, you know, I’m not going to take you.” It’s extremely unfair, and that’s a mild word, to the president. So he recuses himself. I then end up with a second man, who’s a deputy.

HABERMAN: Rosenstein.

TRUMP: Who is he? And Jeff hardly knew. He’s from Baltimore.

________

TRUMP: Yeah, what Jeff Sessions did was he recused himself right after, right after he became attorney general. And I said, “Why didn’t you tell me this before?” I would have — then I said, “Who’s your deputy?” So his deputy he hardly knew, and that’s Rosenstein, Rod Rosenstein, who is from Baltimore. There are very few Republicans in Baltimore, if any. So, he’s from Baltimore. Now, he, we went through a lot of things. We were interviewing replacements at the F.B.I. ...

[Italics mine]

Trump views the recusal by Sessions as "very unfair to the president" and " It’s extremely unfair, and that’s a mild word, to the president", a rather blatant declaration that Trump expects loyalty to Trump as paramount and the fact Sessions was merely acting in an ethical, moral, and even legally obligated manner, obeying the rule of law and the value of ethics and morality over the political demands of the President as being traitorous, the law and ethics be damned. I've said it before: I do not believe (yet) Trump was complicit in the actions of his campaign staff (or his family) in the matter of collusion with Russia; if he had just shut the hell up, he would not be in the mess he's in today and he would not be facing the threat of impeachment for what he did afterwards by injecting himself into the matter in such a way as to give serious fodder for charges of obstruction of justice; now, he has also faces problems of conflict of interest over his and his business 'empire's' many ties to Russian interests and his refusal to cede control of his domestic business interests. When he goes down, it will not be because of collusion with Russia in the 2017 Presidential Campaign; he will either be impeached for obstruction, at the very least, or he will resign rather than see the dismantling or forfeiture of his holdings. Either way, the US will be the better for it, come what may...





<O>

[August]

Originally Posted by eddie

Trump running scared now!?! Wants to get rid of Mueller maybe, Sessions too, then pardon everybody involved. What a complete asshat he is,lol Poor Donnie boy, getting too close to the truth, as far as he's concerned. Paranoid delusional, bests describes Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ion/ar-AAows5X

Anonymous source yet again...

Hey an anonymous source told me that the Liberals like to lick garbage cans and howl at the moon. Must be true right?

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by eddie

Trump running scared now!?! Wants to get rid of Mueller maybe, Sessions too, then pardon everybody involved. What a complete asshat he is,lol Poor Donnie boy, getting too close to the truth, as far as he's concerned. Paranoid delusional, bests describes Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ion/ar-AAows5X

He can also be linked to drug smuggling in kentucky.

[vienna]

Hmm...

Oddly, no one seems to complain about 'anonymous sources' when some one like, say, Hannity, Fox News, Breitbart, Jones, et al, cite 'anonymous sources' in their varied claims against Obama, DEMs, Trump critics, etc.; there must be some reason for the hypocritical inconsistency...


Hey an anonymous source told me that the snowflake Righties and Trump-apologists like to lick garbage cans and howl at the moon. Must be true right?






<O>

[Mr Quatro]

Breaking news!

Trump is looking into his power to pardon his cabinet and family: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/firs...powers-n785171

Two stories in The New York Times and The Washington Post — that the Trump White House is looking to discredit special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, and that the president himself has asked advisers about his powers to pardon aides and family members —

Spells guilty to me ...

“The possibility that the president is considering pardons at this early stage in these ongoing investigations is extremely disturbing,” Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chairman Mark Warner, D-Va., said in a statement last night. “Pardoning any individuals who may have been involved would be crossing a fundamental line."

[Aktungbby]

The precedent is: Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon?? https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-nixon-pardon-in-retrospect-40-years-later/

A pardon is an act of grace, proceeding from the power intrusted with the execution of the laws, which exempts the individual on whom it is bestowed from the punishment the law inflicts for a crime he has committed. It is the private though official act of the executive magistrate, delivered to the individual for whose benefit it is intended. A private deed, not communicated to him, whatever may be its character, whether a pardon or release, is totally unknown and cannot be acted on.

Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915):

A pardoned person must introduce the pardon into court proceedings, otherwise the pardon must be disregarded by the court.
To do this, the pardoned person must accept the pardon. If a pardon is rejected, it cannot be forced upon its subject.

Naturally, anyone who accepts a pardon carries the implication of guilt for whatever the pardon is bestowed

[August]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Breaking news!

Trump is looking into his power to pardon his cabinet and family: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/firs...powers-n785171



Spells guilty to me ...

So your basis is a report by a hostile media organization citing unnamed sources and the opinion of a partisan democrat?

[Jimbuna]

Sour grapes because he didn't get the job or simply a case of another former Team Trump member becoming disenfranchised/disillusioned with the way things are going in the White House?

White House press secretary Sean Spicer has moved to minimise talk of divisions within the Trump administration after announcing his resignation.
Mr Spicer is reportedly stepping down because he is unhappy with President Donald Trump's appointment of a new communications director.
But he told Fox News he had "no regrets" about his six-month stint.
Wall Street financier Anthony Scaramucci has been picked for the role that Mr Spicer had partially filled.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40690501

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Sour grapes because he didn't get the job or simply a case of another former Team Trump member becoming disenfranchised/disillusioned with the way things are going in the White House?



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40690501

Here's his own words, judge for yourself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ite-house.html

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

Here's his own words, judge for yourself.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ite-house.html

I'm slightly inclined to believe there are sour grapes involved but the guy is showing a bit of class.

No doubt the spin doctors (press) will soon start publishing differing opinions.

[Skybird]

There was an essay in some German paper about Spicer's background.

First, personally I do not like him, I am highly antipathic to him.

Fact is, however, that during the Republican race for candidacy, he was against the Donald, and supported somebody else. Not before the Donald had dfeated all rivals, he joined the Donaldinarium.

Fact also is that he never seemed to have been happy with his job. Caught between loyalty to the job's duties, and an AH of a boss who demanded him to tell lies to the public and make them appear as facts, part of his aggressiv appearances may have been born out of frustration, and growing disgust over the fact that his own boss behind the curtian mocked him and laughed about him when putting new lies on his table he then had to sell as facts. When this latest finance boy then was brought into play days ago and put right before his nose, this was one offence too much. Showing the little that has remained of his self-esteem, he pulled the consequences, and left. He even has the loyalty still to not openly blame his cheating boss, showing some kind of - however questionable - class.

If he is clever, he learns the lessons from this dance of his with the devil - and in the future is more picky regarding for whom he is willing to work. You do not only get judged by your loyalty's single-mindedness, but also by your choice to whom and to what you chose to be loyal. That he willed to work for Trump, under these despicable conditions, does not speak for Spicer.

In general, everybody willing to serve the Donald, imo deserve no compassion when he finds out that he gets consumed by the Donald.

With Spicer leaving, the White House Donaldinarium show crew surely has lost some significant entertainment value. I will miss the press conferences with him.

[vienna]

The new guy coming in to replace Spicer seems to have the same 'two-face-itis' disease so prevalent in the Trump administration:

Read Anthony Scaramucci’s old tweets. You’ll understand why he deleted them. --

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f6baecf96844

I find it amazing how Trump rails against leaks and apparent 'disloyalty' among his staff when he seems to routinely appoint people who would have a rather high inclination to turn on him if push comes to shove; it all shows a rather high lack of proper judgement. Could it be the same Trump who railed against "Wall Streeters" during the campaign as being part of the US problems now finds it beneficial to himself to get into bed with them?...




<O>