SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > General > General Topics
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-04-06, 09:25 AM   #16
The Avon Lady
Über Mom
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Jerusalem, Israel
Posts: 6,147
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noob
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noob
Crazy. I am against offending muslims with intent (you see what happends if you piss the Radicals off)
Even if it's the truth? Even if it's called for?
Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Do you comprehend where your attitude is heading?
Yes. It's heading thorwards Duck and Cover, thorwards saving my a**. No need to cause trouble if i can just shout up and continue in peace.
Suggested reading: While Europe Slept.

Good luck, Europe!
__________________


"Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women."
- Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974
The Avon Lady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 09:50 AM   #17
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanCanovas
Hey us Brits have to pay £130 a year for this crap else we are taken to court!
Well I stopped last year and had three red letters and a bloke representing the BBC around knocking on my door and asking do I live here, which I answered sorry can not help you don't know the person your asking for. By the way never let them in without a warrant to inspect your home without a policeman with them.

So I'm waiting for my next letter or another visit, out of interest there is a guy in the U.K. who is doing battle with the BBC though the courts he believes the licence fee is a criminal act as it has not got the permission of the government.
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 12:06 PM   #18
The Avon Lady
Über Mom
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Jerusalem, Israel
Posts: 6,147
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noob
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noob
Crazy. I am against offending muslims with intent (you see what happends if you piss the Radicals off)
Even if it's the truth? Even if it's called for?
Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Do you comprehend where your attitude is heading?
Yes. It's heading thorwards Duck and Cover, thorwards saving my a**. No need to cause trouble if i can just shout up and continue in peace.
Suggested reading: While Europe Slept.

Good luck, Europe!
It's not just Europe. .

While we're at it, another popular Churchill quote is appropriate:

"An appeaser is one who feeds the crocidile hoping it will eat him last."
__________________


"Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women."
- Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974
The Avon Lady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 12:26 PM   #19
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Good luck, Europe! It's not just Europe. .
Sounds like your tube is going down the tubes.

Sorry all for such a cheap joke.
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 12:33 PM   #20
TteFAboB
Admiral
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,247
Downloads: 4
Uploads: 0
Default

Are these people on Britain's side?

They could dress a presenter as a Nun as far as I care and if she talked about how wonderful North Korea is and why Britain should slowly and progressively copy the North Korean model it wouldn't be any different if they had the presenter dressed as Satan.
__________________
"Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

Last edited by TteFAboB; 10-04-06 at 12:38 PM.
TteFAboB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 12:40 PM   #21
Fish
Eternal Patrol
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 1,923
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Konovalov
From my reading of the Daily Mail article it appears that the BBC were internally debating wheather any of it's newsreaders should have the right to wear religious symbols be it a crucifix a headscarf or any other religious or politcal symbol. I can't see any indication in the article that this is as a result of the BBC bowing down to Muslim anger or pressure. As the article highlights:

Quote:
The BBC was debating whether a female Muslim newsreader should be allowed to wear a headscarf while reading the news when the issue over Ms Bruce's cross was brought up.
The news article continues with:


Quote:
A source who attended the meeting said: "It was argued that BBC staff on screen should not wear anything which hints or directly points to a political or religious leaning and that the cross contravened this and should not be allowed."

Stephen Whittle, a former controller of editorial policy at the BBC said that the fact that Fiona Bruce had worn a cross while reading the news was a mistake.
"A newsreader should not let themselves get in the way of a story by wearing things that make the audience wonder about the newsreader's own position on a story," said Whittle.

It is understood, however, that Ms Bruce has not been asked to remove the necklace, and that the BBC does not have any official guidelines on the wearing of religious symbols.
Again, I can't see anything in the article to suggest that there has been a Muslim uproar or a raft of complaints into the BBC from British Muslims. And for the record I don't agree with the BBC if it did change it's policy to one where by it's newsreaders could not appear wearing an item of jewellery or clothing such as a crucifix or headscarfe. I would have hoped that BBC management had better and more important things to deal with at the Beeb.
Agree, newsreader's should not show a political or religieus preference.
Fish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 01:01 PM   #22
joea
Silent Hunter
 
joea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva
Posts: 3,512
Downloads: 25
Uploads: 0
Default

This forum is becoming more and more authoritarian.
joea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 01:10 PM   #23
NEON DEON
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,207
Downloads: 39
Uploads: 5
Save the editorializing for Andy Rooney

I can’t fault the BBC for wanting to present themselves as being objective.

The news has to be objective.

Since it must report in an objective manner it must also present in an objective manner.

Wearing of religious symbols on TV while reporting on a story of religious significance, does not project objectivity. Therefore presenters of the news must keep an appearance that displays neutrality at all times.

A reporter covering a war does not present as objective if he is doing so with a peace symbol on his helmet no more than he would present as objective reporting it with a skull and cross bones on his helmet.

If you don’t report objectively, it is not news it is an editorial.
NEON DEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 01:55 PM   #24
Skybird
Soaring
 
Skybird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the mental asylum named Germany
Posts: 42,604
Downloads: 10
Uploads: 0


Default

News speakers should present the news dressed in wide grey sacking that hides any body contours, with a shaved skull and and a mask so that no heterosexual man or woman and no lesbo and no gay can take offense from sexual discrimination. Alternatively, a burkha for both dhimmi females and dhimmi males would be an ideal alternative. Instead of necklace and neckties, news reporters could wear a decorative yellow spot on their sacking. They should also take off any rings, so that unmarried people cannot feel excluded. I agree, the news needs to be reported objectively. BBC reporters should also avoid anything that could identify Britain as part of the Christian Western European cultural sphere. -There is a rumour that the Bavarian and Austrian greeting phrase "Grüß Gott!" will be banned soon for reasons of religious discrimination. The alternative phrase being considered is "Friede sei mit dir." It is very pc by word content, for it emphasizes the importance of peace and generosity and avoids any unwanted link to the aggression of the crusaders.
__________________
If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

Last edited by Skybird; 10-04-06 at 02:08 PM.
Skybird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 02:13 PM   #25
August
Wayfaring Stranger
 
August's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 23,197
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEON DEON
I can’t fault the BBC for wanting to present themselves as being objective.

The news has to be objective.

Since it must report in an objective manner it must also present in an objective manner.

Wearing of religious symbols on TV while reporting on a story of religious significance, does not project objectivity. Therefore presenters of the news must keep an appearance that displays neutrality at all times.

A reporter covering a war does not present as objective if he is doing so with a peace symbol on his helmet no more than he would present as objective reporting it with a skull and cross bones on his helmet.

If you don’t report objectively, it is not news it is an editorial.
The problem is banning the symbol does not eliminate the potential bias, it just camoflages it. I'd rather see newspeople and other public officials wear their religious, business and social accoutrements so i know where they are coming from.

Personally if it were up to me every politician would wear be required by law to wear their sponsors logos on their clothing and vehicles. I don't care if it made them look like nascar drivers, at least we know who they are beholding too.
__________________


Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.
August is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 03:12 PM   #26
CB..
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 1,278
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

can we sue the BBC for inciting religious hatred ..because they're really beginning to p*ss me off....
__________________
the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod-
and other SH3/SH2 stuff

http://www.ebort2.co.uk/


The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

W.B.Yeats
CB.. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 04:20 PM   #27
Fish
Eternal Patrol
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 1,923
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skybird
News speakers should present the news dressed in wide grey sacking that hides any body contours, with a shaved skull and and a mask so that no heterosexual man or woman and no lesbo and no gay can take offense from sexual discrimination. Alternatively, a burkha for both dhimmi females and dhimmi males would be an ideal alternative. Instead of necklace and neckties, news reporters could wear a decorative yellow spot on their sacking. They should also take off any rings, so that unmarried people cannot feel excluded. I agree, the news needs to be reported objectively. BBC reporters should also avoid anything that could identify Britain as part of the Christian Western European cultural sphere. -There is a rumour that the Bavarian and Austrian greeting phrase "Grüß Gott!" will be banned soon for reasons of religious discrimination. The alternative phrase being considered is "Friede sei mit dir." It is very pc by word content, for it emphasizes the importance of peace and generosity and avoids any unwanted link to the aggression of the crusaders.
Had a heavy meal?
Fish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 04:23 PM   #28
snowsub
中国水兵
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Moreton bay
Posts: 286
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by August

The problem is banning the symbol does not eliminate the potential bias, it just camoflages it. I'd rather see newspeople and other public officials wear their religious, business and social accoutrements so i know where they are coming from.

Personally if it were up to me every politician would wear be required by law to wear their sponsors logos on their clothing and vehicles. I don't care if it made them look like nascar drivers, at least we know who they are beholding too.
The news reader is just calling out the autoque, it's the editors bias that no-one sees that is the problem

If you want just make the presenters go like nakednews :rotfl:
__________________
snowsub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-06, 05:24 PM   #29
NEON DEON
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,207
Downloads: 39
Uploads: 5
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by August
Quote:
Originally Posted by NEON DEON
I can’t fault the BBC for wanting to present themselves as being objective.

The news has to be objective.

Since it must report in an objective manner it must also present in an objective manner.

Wearing of religious symbols on TV while reporting on a story of religious significance, does not project objectivity. Therefore presenters of the news must keep an appearance that displays neutrality at all times.

A reporter covering a war does not present as objective if he is doing so with a peace symbol on his helmet no more than he would present as objective reporting it with a skull and cross bones on his helmet.

If you don’t report objectively, it is not news it is an editorial.
The problem is banning the symbol does not eliminate the potential bias, it just camoflages it. I'd rather see newspeople and other public officials wear their religious, business and social accoutrements so i know where they are coming from.

Personally if it were up to me every politician would wear be required by law to wear their sponsors logos on their clothing and vehicles. I don't care if it made them look like nascar drivers, at least we know who they are beholding too.
The BBC wants to present as credible to viewers when reporting the news.

They can not do that while wearing religious symbols. That should be obvious because of the action the BBC took. We are talking about the news here. Not TV talk shows, sit coms, dramas, or variety shows.

JUST THE NEWS.

Lets look at lighter news like sports. If the sportscaster on TV is wearing a Jets uniform and says the jets are a shoe in to win the Super Bowl, the only way I am going to believe him is if I am a jets fan. He has lost his credibility.
NEON DEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-06, 04:17 AM   #30
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Default

As far as I can make from the radio reports the TV presenter had every right to wear her cross as there are no BBC rules saying newsreaders are banned. This is a clear cut case of PC loonies in the BBC raking it up and causing problems, I don't see any other TV station news in my country saying the same thing. This is a disgraceful act by the BBC and they should be a shamed of themselves for acting in this manner.
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.