Supplement to SH Survey: What should Ubi do to make SH5 the best? - Page 13

karamazovnew · 05-31-09, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antar

Create your own periscope view (full moving of all elements: books, clocks, measurements) and do it saveable!

Bigger speed/course/depth clocks on ship menu.

Create differents scale for depth... why all depth clocks are 45/165m depth, if etc. the construction depth is "only" 60 or 140?
Bigger scale = most precision.

Actually, that's easy to do, in SH3 at least. But even if you end up with the interface of a tank sim, you'll still be limited by the core scripts. For example, I'd like to know how to use the stadimeter without having something locked. And since the filter for the stadimeter is as simple as:
SuperimposeImage
{
xDisplacement 0.0
yDisplacement 0.25
intensity 0.5
}
,I'd like to use it horizontally too.
We're all raving here for more moddability. But I guess we might be sending the wrong message to ubisoft. We don't need Kashmir to enter the dll's as long as they put enough of the content outside of them. The current game is made of 3 layers:
1. Game engine stuff we don't really care about (locked in dlls)
2. Game scripts that we do care about (locked in dlls)
3. Image/Sound files and config files (most of which wouldn't even be moddable without S3D) we already changed

.

Since they announced a ground-up rebuild of the game, who knows, maybe this time they'll put all the interface/ai/campaign scripts in simple *.cfg files

.

PL_Andrev · 06-11-09, 06:03 AM

1. Rescue missions and "be rescued".

It often happens that the ship has no fuel to base raturn.

Rescue Missions:
Player submarine can attempt to deliver supplies to the last position of rescued ship, but:

- The target can be destroyed
- The target can be attacked / searched by enemy in this location
- The target can be hidden (submerged submarine)
- The target can be destroyed and the enemy is waiting for rescue ship
- Rescued ship and players submarine can be attacked during the transmission of supply

Be rescued: in the absence of supply possibility for supply request (food, ammunition, fuel) - by simulated contact between base, rescue boat, players submarine (position, estimated arrival time)

- Supply ship can be destroyed by the enemy (base sends the next)
- The player ship and supply ship could be attacked during the transmission of supply
- Player's ship can be searched by the enemy at this location

In the case of the end of food / drinking water a player can be surrended (official mesage of position) - both: enemy and ally can try to capture a player's ship. Depending who is near - the player can continue his career (new ship in the base) or his career is ended (prisoners of war's camp).

2. Position

Rarely base should ask about position of player's sub:
- status of ship / resources (if low, base should order return to base)
- prepare submarines to attack enemy forces in short distance
- change of order (special mission f.e recsued missions)

In late years of war enemy can search submarines in this position (by finding and located radio signals or decryptage messages)

Only antenna / radio damage can allow to not send the reply for homebase. If radio is working and player do not answer, his reputation after patrol is going down.

Myxale · 06-13-09, 11:10 AM

The things i want to see in the Next Installment of SH were already addressed in this running thread.
And I agree with most of it!

I want more * Simulation* and more *Immersion*

141st_Alper · 06-16-09, 06:11 AM

I just want from SH5, mount one sub with friends on multiplayer. I think it sounds very good for more fun. For example one is on periscope and other is on radar.

warispeace · 06-16-09, 09:47 AM

I would like to a greater variety of ships, maybe a modular graphic system to make each one look unique. Also the name changes in SH3 Commander.

More dynamic AI. I think the allies should make war plans on the fly, and you should be able to contribute to the war effort, and get medals and bonuses for it. For example: you come across an amphibious assault take place and sink a couple troop carriers. You maybe even swing the tide of battle and win some great medals! Another example: You spot a bombing run flying overhead and radio back their position and heading. You help the air defenses shoot down the bombers and win a renown bonus. Also I think the supply routes and their protection levels should dynamically change based on casualties and losses. A really rich supply route might dry up or relocate if you're having too much success.

I'd like to see mission orders change occasionally. Maybe HQ gets a report of a high-priority target and they order you to that sector to take it out. I also think there should be a checklist of all the historical warships and they should be unique. You could look them up on a kill board and see which sub commander took them out. For big renown bonuses and lots of medals, of course.

Jimbuna · 06-16-09, 04:21 PM

Welcome aboard 141st_Alper

PL_Andrev · 07-05-09, 02:51 PM

SH5, new ETA date: 2010

Thanks God, I hope that this means that UBI does not want to repeat the mistakes with bugs on SH4 and at this time they will prepare full totally playable product, in which not only graphics graphics will be judged 10/10.

Maybe (and at least) we will play Russian "Staliniec" type against Tirpitz, or in multiplayer mode block Giblatar by Italian "Marcello" types with other players...

If it will be possible to play in multiplayer mode not only submarine but with escort ships and hunt submarines (with 16 persons on LAN) it will be the totaly successed game, a game worthy of any price.

I look forward to a breakthrough and playable like SH3, when this game entered on the market ...

The hope dies last...

MeMpHiSGT · 07-05-09, 04:37 PM

Well all the guys above have giving good suggestions, so i am with them. There is one though i like to emphasize..

Realism...

I don't need to manage the crew, i have an officer to do that. I can interfere with his schedule and such, but he should handle it when i am not.

This just as an example of, sadly, many point of realism to be adressed.

Also, **** off with starforce..

The General · 07-06-09, 10:42 AM

Hopes for SH5:

1: 100% stable graphics engine. SH4 is as twitchy as a Mexican jumping-bean with Tourettes Syndrome. DX10 Compatible, obviously.

2: Improved sub-crew A.I.

3: Improved Damage model for sub and surface vessels.

4: (As somenone has already suggested) Aircraft carriers that launch air patrols and while we're on the subject....

5: The way the Campaign handled aircraft needs to be completely rewritten. I believe the code was partially written (it actually says 'Call-in Airstrikes' on the back of the U-Boat Missions box!) to allow you (and your enemy) to call for air-support. It would be awesome if this was finally realised for SH5.

6: Improved Sound modelling. Especially with regard to Depth Charge attacks.

7: The ability to call for rescue once your sub's propulsion sytem is damaged beyond repair.

8: With regard to the Campaign, I would like stumble upon the odd naval battle occasionally, complete with aircraft buzzing around and all the trimmings. In all my patrols of SH4 I never saw a freindly encounter an enemy and exchange fire.

9: If SH5 is indeed centered around U-Boats then I definitely wanna encounter Ice-bergs/drifts in the Northern Atlantic during a Campaign.

Thank you for this opportunity Neal and keep up the great work Devs

BulSoldier · 07-06-09, 12:20 PM

One eyecandy i really hope for is seeing when i give orders in my contol room the crew to move around and do "stuff" . And if there is some animation done for crash diving complete with sound like that in gwx (das boot) it will bring life to the boats.

ryanglavin · 07-06-09, 02:30 PM

i love sh 4 the way it is, but like people have said.
1: ability to call rescue once you can't move, at all.
2: ability to abandon ship, and spend the rest of the war in a PoW camp. i would just find that neat.
3: eye candy for depth charge attacks, like the boat would shake and people would be flung around.
4: EVERYTHING THE GENERAL SAID

PL_Andrev · 07-07-09, 12:13 AM

And why the watch officer is always perfect?
His recognization of the target type is... perfect.
His recognization of the distance to the target is... perfect.

Maybe the good idea is addition minimum three levels of his perfection (poor/average/perfect) or depended from his patrol's experience.
If watch officer is "weakest", his recognization should be poorer, with less accuracy...
Of course, if the target is closer and closer, the accuracy of the watch officer (or first officer?) should be higher...

Sailor Steve · 07-07-09, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antar

And why the watch officer is always perfect?
His recognization of the target type is... perfect.
His recognization of the distance to the target is... perfect.

Maybe the good idea is addition minimum three levels of his perfection (poor/average/perfect) or depended from his patrol's experience.
If watch officer is "weakest", his recognization should be poorer, with less accuracy...
Of course, if the target is closer and closer, the accuracy of the watch officer (or first officer?) should be higher...

And also make him more accurate with multiple sightings. He shouldn't give the speed at all until you've taken at least two sightings.

Something else I think is important is the Flotilla/Squadron issue. SH3 has Flotillas by location. SH4 does not have the squadrons. You should be assigned to a squadron and the types of subs available for it.

ryanglavin · 07-07-09, 11:52 AM

another thing i would find kinda neat is the ability to walk around your boat, but manually, like hold arrow key to move forward or something, and be able to get to the engine rooms and all.
and another another thing, make damage visible, like if the stern torpedo room is flooding, be able to go back that and inspect the damage.
and employ the people that did SH3 Commander and GWX to help make the game. give them a nice big salary too, because, like that author said, "Sh3 has gone from a game to valuable strategic exercise".

Kapitan Klaffmuschel · 07-13-09, 10:54 AM

I did not scan all the prevous posts in this thread so my apologies for any "dupes".

A set of bubbles in the deck gun to let you know when the boat is near level. I'm sure the deck gun crew would know by looking through the sight that the gun was pointing at the target or not. With a stabilized gun sight (no, the "no stabilize view" does not apply here) you have no way of knowing if your muzzle is pointed at the sun or the sea... This should not be a huge thing to implement.
Better "thinking" from the "dispatcher." It would make sense to me that the boat would be sent to locations based on current loadout and fuel. I've been sent to Hong Kong (out of Pearl/Midway) to patrol for 96 hours with barely over 1/4 fuel and 2 fish.
While we're on that, if no one else has asked. TOW me into port if I'm within 250 miles of base. Refuel me if I'm farther out. I'm NOT proud. I hate losing a great patrol because I got sent all over the ocean and ran out of juice due to some depth charge damage in my last patrol zone.
Again, if no one else has asked, more realistic depth capabilities for the subs. Dick O'Kane took the Tang down to almost 600 feet to test it's hull before going into action. We should be able to do the same (with variations due to class).

06-11-09, 06:03 AM	#182
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	1. Rescue missions and "be rescued". It often happens that the ship has no fuel to base raturn. Rescue Missions: Player submarine can attempt to deliver supplies to the last position of rescued ship, but: - The target can be destroyed - The target can be attacked / searched by enemy in this location - The target can be hidden (submerged submarine) - The target can be destroyed and the enemy is waiting for rescue ship - Rescued ship and players submarine can be attacked during the transmission of supply Be rescued: in the absence of supply possibility for supply request (food, ammunition, fuel) - by simulated contact between base, rescue boat, players submarine (position, estimated arrival time) - Supply ship can be destroyed by the enemy (base sends the next) - The player ship and supply ship could be attacked during the transmission of supply - Player's ship can be searched by the enemy at this location In the case of the end of food / drinking water a player can be surrended (official mesage of position) - both: enemy and ally can try to capture a player's ship. Depending who is near - the player can continue his career (new ship in the base) or his career is ended (prisoners of war's camp). 2. Position Rarely base should ask about position of player's sub: - status of ship / resources (if low, base should order return to base) - prepare submarines to attack enemy forces in short distance - change of order (special mission f.e recsued missions) In late years of war enemy can search submarines in this position (by finding and located radio signals or decryptage messages) Only antenna / radio damage can allow to not send the reply for homebase. If radio is working and player do not answer, his reputation after patrol is going down. __________________

06-13-09, 11:10 AM	#183
Myxale Admiral Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: PQ AN 25 Posts: 2,178 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	The things i want to see in the Next Installment of SH were already addressed in this running thread. And I agree with most of it! I want more * Simulation* and more Immersion __________________ SH3+GWX SH5+WoS Still Sailing....still Deep

06-16-09, 04:21 PM	#186
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Welcome aboard 141st_Alper __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-05-09, 02:51 PM	#187
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	SH5, new ETA date: 2010 Thanks God, I hope that this means that UBI does not want to repeat the mistakes with bugs on SH4 and at this time they will prepare full totally playable product, in which not only graphics graphics will be judged 10/10. Maybe (and at least) we will play Russian "Staliniec" type against Tirpitz, or in multiplayer mode block Giblatar by Italian "Marcello" types with other players... If it will be possible to play in multiplayer mode not only submarine but with escort ships and hunt submarines (with 16 persons on LAN) it will be the totaly successed game, a game worthy of any price. I look forward to a breakthrough and playable like SH3, when this game entered on the market ... The hope dies last... __________________

07-06-09, 10:42 AM	#189
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	Sorry, I'm late... Hopes for SH5: 1: 100% stable graphics engine. SH4 is as twitchy as a Mexican jumping-bean with Tourettes Syndrome. DX10 Compatible, obviously. 2: Improved sub-crew A.I. 3: Improved Damage model for sub and surface vessels. 4: (As somenone has already suggested) Aircraft carriers that launch air patrols and while we're on the subject.... 5: The way the Campaign handled aircraft needs to be completely rewritten. I believe the code was partially written (it actually says 'Call-in Airstrikes' on the back of the U-Boat Missions box!) to allow you (and your enemy) to call for air-support. It would be awesome if this was finally realised for SH5. 6: Improved Sound modelling. Especially with regard to Depth Charge attacks. 7: The ability to call for rescue once your sub's propulsion sytem is damaged beyond repair. 8: With regard to the Campaign, I would like stumble upon the odd naval battle occasionally, complete with aircraft buzzing around and all the trimmings. In all my patrols of SH4 I never saw a freindly encounter an enemy and exchange fire. 9: If SH5 is indeed centered around U-Boats then I definitely wanna encounter Ice-bergs/drifts in the Northern Atlantic during a Campaign. Thank you for this opportunity Neal and keep up the great work Devs __________________ *THE GENERAL* Last edited by The General; 07-08-09 at 03:08 PM.

06-16-09, 06:11 AM	#184
141st_Alper Mate Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I just want from SH5, mount one sub with friends on multiplayer. I think it sounds very good for more fun. For example one is on periscope and other is on radar.

06-16-09, 09:47 AM	#185
warispeace Watch Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would like to a greater variety of ships, maybe a modular graphic system to make each one look unique. Also the name changes in SH3 Commander. More dynamic AI. I think the allies should make war plans on the fly, and you should be able to contribute to the war effort, and get medals and bonuses for it. For example: you come across an amphibious assault take place and sink a couple troop carriers. You maybe even swing the tide of battle and win some great medals! Another example: You spot a bombing run flying overhead and radio back their position and heading. You help the air defenses shoot down the bombers and win a renown bonus. Also I think the supply routes and their protection levels should dynamically change based on casualties and losses. A really rich supply route might dry up or relocate if you're having too much success. I'd like to see mission orders change occasionally. Maybe HQ gets a report of a high-priority target and they order you to that sector to take it out. I also think there should be a checklist of all the historical warships and they should be unique. You could look them up on a kill board and see which sub commander took them out. For big renown bonuses and lots of medals, of course.

07-05-09, 04:37 PM	#188
MeMpHiSGT Seaman Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 38 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Well all the guys above have giving good suggestions, so i am with them. There is one though i like to emphasize.. Realism... I don't need to manage the crew, i have an officer to do that. I can interfere with his schedule and such, but he should handle it when i am not. This just as an example of, sadly, many point of realism to be adressed. Also, **** off with starforce..

07-06-09, 12:20 PM	#190
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	One eyecandy i really hope for is seeing when i give orders in my contol room the crew to move around and do "stuff" . And if there is some animation done for crash diving complete with sound like that in gwx (das boot) it will bring life to the boats. __________________ By the hour !

07-06-09, 02:30 PM	#191
ryanglavin Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Evading that Hunter/Killer Group on my Tail Posts: 584 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	a bit late to the party... i love sh 4 the way it is, but like people have said. 1: ability to call rescue once you can't move, at all. 2: ability to abandon ship, and spend the rest of the war in a PoW camp. i would just find that neat. 3: eye candy for depth charge attacks, like the boat would shake and people would be flung around. 4: EVERYTHING THE GENERAL SAID

07-07-09, 12:13 AM	#192
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	And why the watch officer is always perfect? His recognization of the target type is... perfect. His recognization of the distance to the target is... perfect. Maybe the good idea is addition minimum three levels of his perfection (poor/average/perfect) or depended from his patrol's experience. If watch officer is "weakest", his recognization should be poorer, with less accuracy... Of course, if the target is closer and closer, the accuracy of the watch officer (or first officer?) should be higher... __________________

07-07-09, 11:52 AM	#194
ryanglavin Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Evading that Hunter/Killer Group on my Tail Posts: 584 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	another thing another thing i would find kinda neat is the ability to walk around your boat, but manually, like hold arrow key to move forward or something, and be able to get to the engine rooms and all. and another another thing, make damage visible, like if the stern torpedo room is flooding, be able to go back that and inspect the damage. and employ the people that did SH3 Commander and GWX to help make the game. give them a nice big salary too, because, like that author said, "Sh3 has gone from a game to valuable strategic exercise".

07-13-09, 10:54 AM	#195
Kapitan Klaffmuschel Watch Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Warwick, RI Posts: 19 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Somethings I hope for I did not scan all the prevous posts in this thread so my apologies for any "dupes". A set of bubbles in the deck gun to let you know when the boat is near level. I'm sure the deck gun crew would know by looking through the sight that the gun was pointing at the target or not. With a stabilized gun sight (no, the "no stabilize view" does not apply here) you have no way of knowing if your muzzle is pointed at the sun or the sea... This should not be a huge thing to implement. Better "thinking" from the "dispatcher." It would make sense to me that the boat would be sent to locations based on current loadout and fuel. I've been sent to Hong Kong (out of Pearl/Midway) to patrol for 96 hours with barely over 1/4 fuel and 2 fish. While we're on that, if no one else has asked. TOW me into port if I'm within 250 miles of base. Refuel me if I'm farther out. I'm NOT proud. I hate losing a great patrol because I got sent all over the ocean and ran out of juice due to some depth charge damage in my last patrol zone. Again, if no one else has asked, more realistic depth capabilities for the subs. Dick O'Kane took the Tang down to almost 600 feet to test it's hull before going into action. We should be able to do the same (with variations due to class).