You thought the baby in the tuble dryer story was bad! Dutch pedophile party launched

[Konovalov]

Having read Skybirds topic here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=93832 in which he expressed his rightful disbelief to a news story of an Australian man who put his girlfriends 13-month-old baby in a tumble dryer resulting in serious burns and injuries to the child, I thought that there couldn't be a story more ridiculous than that, at least not in such a short space of time. I was wrong.

I read this article in the Sydney Morning Herald this morning and just could't believe what I was reading.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/out...956392681.html

Outcry over launch of Dutch pedophile party
May 31, 2006 - 1:05PM

Belgian child rapist Marc Dutroux.



Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalisation of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.
The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its web site it would be officially registered today, proclaiming: "We are going to shake The Hague awake!"
The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.
"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad newspaper.
"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in neighbouring Belgium.
"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van den Berg told Reuters.
The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs, prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.
An opinion poll published today showed that 82 per cent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 per cent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.
"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen van Engelen told the AD daily.
Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be established, ANP news agency reported.
Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims and more serious ones."
The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television, with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.
Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.
The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.
Reuters

I feel absolutely sick in the guts reading about this political party if you could even call them that. This is one of the most appalling political stories that I have ever come across. Just totally sickening.

[Skybird]

Old news, it's is an attempt being made in Germany as well. It is sick and rotten and shows what Europe has come to, even without any desintegrating influence from outside. There are even psychologists lining up with these sick-minded perverts, trying to raise a tolerant climate and that they also have a right on love. The total arbitrariness of modern psychotherapy, at least in Germany, is one of the reasons why I am so happy that I quit this sh!t and until today never regretted it. If one thing matches the definition of opportunism, then it is psychology.But the faces of these politicians will become known, and they will be recognized when moving around. Hope getting recognized will have consequences for them.P.S. To be fair, there are also some good practicing psychotherapists left. But one needs to search them with quite some effort. Most are endless talkers only.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Old news, it's is an attempt being made in Germany as well.

I was not aware that there was a wider movement across Europe. I thought it was simply isolated to the Netherlands.

Originally Posted by Skybird

But the faces of these politicians will become known, and they will be recognized when moving around. Hope getting recognized will have consequences for them.

Are you advocating some form of vigilante action against them, perhaps violence? Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "consequences"?

[Skybird]

Throwing eggs, stones and tomatoes, that is what I would find fully acceptable under these circumstances.

[Fish]

I am not in any way supporting them, but i think you cant or shouldn,t forbid them to do so in a free society.

They are for free sexual contact from the age of 12 and free use of hard and softdrugs. No one with a normal mind, apart from being pedofile, should vote for them.

[TteFAboB]

That, in an ideal world.

Now, look at the Europe outside your window again.

There are not enough tomatoes to go around.

[Neptunus Rex]

Last time I checked, encouraging others to commit a felony is in and of itself a felony.

[Umfuld]

So you're saying that no law can ever be discussed? Laws are changed all the time. And seeking change in laws is not a crime.
I'm not with these dudes either, but it's a bad precident to block people from a political voice. They don't have a chance to win, so let the freaks run. At least you'll know who they are.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Umfuld

So you're saying that no law can ever be discussed? Laws are changed all the time. And seeking change in laws is not a crime. I'm not with these dudes either, but it's a bad precident to block people from a political voice. They don't have a chance to win, so let the freaks run. At least you'll know who they are.

It is no crime to propagate sexual intercourse with children, and behavior that puts the psychological wellbeing of children at risk and cripples all their life as adults? It is not to be refused when one is propagating sexual intercourse with animals? Moral and ethics are not needed to be considered to be the basis of lawmaking? Everything is relative, context-depending, arbitrary? If there would be a llaw allowing it, having sex with dead bodies is acceptable, then, and should not be object to moral disgust?

You guys loose me here. Children of low ages are psychologically not prepared to be made sexual objects for the pleasure of adults perverts. Here, psychology, for a change, can come up with some valid information and data about the developement of juvenile personality, and the developement of babies and young children. Sex with chidlren is abuse of the meanest kind. I reject to relativize such psychopathic behavior for means of a misunderstood and also perverted political correctness. Before they become a normalized, integrated part of social life of a community (which is the case if you accept these perverts to have the same right like others to form a political party) I indeed prefer to see them dead instead. To allow them to built public representation and legal bodies is totally unacceptable. certain things cannot be discussed, they must be excluded from what can be discussed, they must be consoidered as completely undiscussible. Some thing simply must be forbidden, always, without exeptions. Cannibalism as nomal part of social life, for example. Slavery. Or abusing small children. Such things must be unavailable for any kind of tolerance.

The interests of victims of crime I rank unconditionally higher than those of the offender who attacks them.

They speak of children of the age of 12. Do not be fooled. They will also push their hidden agenda. Sex with 10 years old. ( years, 6 years, 4 years. That is what pedophilia is about. It is unlimited to the lower part of the age scale. It is limited upwards, when puberty turns children's bodies into that of young adults.

Ouh, I have been politically uncorrect again and defended the use of physical force to prevent unacceptable things. I even refuse to accept that all things must be judged on a relative scale. I disrupt the peace of the consensus-society, I disturb the tolerance-waltz of the saints. I really should be taught a lection.

I worked with traumatized people in the past, just for some months, but it was enough. Torture, desaster, rape. Before I accept traumatization being done to somebody who is weak and defenseless and easy to manipulate, I prefer the one doing that to be brought to death. Since I know from direct experience what traumatization could mean for a life.

All I can say is if you have tolerance for such a party being allowed to build up, as if it were just a normal regular party like others, subject to public votes, if you accept them to be made an object of public life and defend their right to be driven away only by normal social events (like elections), then all you have is my deepest contempt. Because such a party is no "normal" thing, but anything than "normal". Accepting them on that basis of normality, and you have no spine and no worth as a human being, then. Period. I hope the Dutch will chase these sickos through the street every day they try to constitute their damn party. There shall not be such a party.

[Umfuld]

then all you have is my deepest contempt.

Well, no offense, but you are ignorant, and I welcome your comtempt.

What you are for is fascism, plain and simple. It says the age there is 16. It's 16 in a lot of US states as well. I think that's too low, personally. I'm 35 and really don't think I should be allowed to legally sleep with a 16 year old. But people discussed, and then voted on these laws. And it's not up to me beyond my one vote.

Try for some perspective. When alcohol was illegal in the US, I'm sure many people ran for office on the 'undo prohabition' idea. By your logic, this was criminal of these people.

You want to be a child and not discuss the issue and act like I'm saying I'm for pedophiles, then go ahead if you need to do that. I'm just pointing out that shutting out any political voice is fascism. So, have fun with that!

[Wim Libaers]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I indeed prefer to see them dead instead. To allow them to built public representation and legal bodies is totally unacceptable. certain things cannot be discussed, they must be excluded from what can be discussed, they must be consoidered as completely undiscussible. Some thing simply must be forbidden, always, without exeptions. Cannibalism as nomal part of social life, for example. Slavery. Or abusing small children. Such things must be unavailable for any kind of tolerance.

Yep. Just like certain prophets. Make a funny picture of the wrong guy, off with your head! :hmm:


Oh, don't misunderstand me, I'm not in favour of these guys. But as long as there is no proof that they are committing criminal acts, putting them against the wall for thoughtcrime would set a rather dangerous precedent. Besides, do you think this is a new group? There has been a pro-pedophile lobby group and periodical in the Netherlands for some time. The only difference now is that they are also making a party. Some of their other issues seem intended for getting some extra votes. Getting the junkie vote, for example.

[TteFAboB]

Who will dare to speak against an age of consent of 13? What sort of monster would raise his voice against such a thing?

You can all note in your books that in less than a generation whoever opposes the idea of children being raised by sex maniacs will be considered cruel and without feelings, a fascist oppressor of minorities, a Nazi.

Every act of pedophilia is a consenting act, otherwise it would be a RAPE, to legitimize consented pedophilia is to legitimize any and all pedophilia. Who is going to reject the wonderfull love between Man and Boy or Girl as an attitude socially unacceptable?

Today it's a political party, tomorrow it's a law, the next day your Grandchildren (Europeans do not apply, as you barely have any children anyway) will live in a world where the kids saturday play activity is going to his best friend's house to have a sex party with his friend's father, and the friends of his father, everything consented, everything legal, everything fine, everything politically correct.

[TteFAboB]

Hitler was elected democratically.

The people doesn't always know what's best for them, and sometimes must even be protected from their own short-sighted brutality.

Make a referendum for the death penalty in a region where crime is rampant and it will win.

[Umfuld]

The people doesn't always know what's best for them, and sometimes must even be protected from their own short-sighted brutality

Agreed. But by whom? People?

And you're right about Hitler being elected. Just as Jesus was legally executed by a state. Yet, most of his followers are in favor of the death penalty.

People. Whatcha gonna do?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Umfuld

Agreed. But by whom? People?

And you're right about Hitler being elected. Just as Jesus was legally executed by a state. Yet, most of his followers are in favor of the death penalty.

What? most followers of Jesus are pro death penalty? Strange. I have exactly the opposite perception. maybe many american fundamentalists are. Wannabe-christians who label themselves as soemthing that they are not. Because I am usually very strict and precise in my differing between church/Christianity/sects, and those who truly follow the message of Jesus , I see that statement as absurd. There is not one favouring death penalty and following Jesus.

And Hitler being elected. Of course public intimidation and misinformation never have anything to do with electorial processes. Elected is elected.