Interesting data on submarine created noise

BigBadVuk · 03-20-06, 12:53 AM

I was searching for some things about sound propagation is ocean when i stumbled upon this:
http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/snf/snf03221.htm

and detection ranges:
http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/snf/snf03222.htm

Very interesting things about how submarine creates noise and why u can hear some frequencies and why not...Great thing to see if u want to understand how this (DW) work!

LWAMI crew...er...guys i know that u maybe already know that but u can check also

plz post here what do u think about this info..Is it "too much scientific"

or u can really pull out something useful from this? :hmm:

LuftWolf · 03-20-06, 02:09 AM

Amizaur used Eugene Miasnikov's data on comparative submarine noise levels and sound vs speed as the basis for the sonar and platform noise level treatment in LWAMI.

Interestingly, it is a happy occurance that with the proper settings entered into the database, the Sim will give detection ranges based on conditions that are very similiar to his data, it would seem at first glance anyway.

I always thought the people at SCS knew what they were doing.

Bellman · 03-20-06, 03:35 AM

Yeh Miasnikovs stuff is over 10 years old but other interesting papers are:

The future of Russia's Strategic Nuclear Forces: Discussion and Arguments.

Can Russian Strategic Submarines survive at Sea ? The Fundamental limits of Passive Acoustics.

Another intersesting paper is Gordon D Tyler, JR's :

The Emergence of Low-Frequency Active Acoustics as a Critical Antisubmarine Warfare Technology.

Dr.Sid · 03-20-06, 04:21 AM

Really intereseting .. more please !

Nexus7 · 03-20-06, 02:07 PM

Good struff... thanks for posting it

Linton · 03-20-06, 02:32 PM

Bellman where are these papers available?

Nexus7 · 03-20-06, 05:06 PM

They are in Bellmann office, main desk third driver to the right. Watch out for the sneaky seals :rotfl:

Wim Libaers · 03-20-06, 06:10 PM

http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/snf/snf0322.htm
http://www.princeton.edu/~globsec/pu...2miasnikov.pdf
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tems/tyler.pdf

Bellman · 03-21-06, 12:13 AM

Many thanks WL - I had printed the papers but should have Googled for the links.

03-20-06, 12:53 AM	#1
BigBadVuk Ensign Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belgrade,Serbia Posts: 222 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Interesting data on submarine created noise I was searching for some things about sound propagation is ocean when i stumbled upon this: http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/snf/snf03221.htm and detection ranges: http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/snf/snf03222.htm Very interesting things about how submarine creates noise and why u can hear some frequencies and why not...Great thing to see if u want to understand how this (DW) work! LWAMI crew...er...guys i know that u maybe already know that but u can check also plz post here what do u think about this info..Is it "too much scientific" or u can really pull out something useful from this? :hmm: __________________ Any ship can submerge.. Only submarine can surface!

03-20-06, 02:09 AM	#2
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Amizaur used Eugene Miasnikov's data on comparative submarine noise levels and sound vs speed as the basis for the sonar and platform noise level treatment in LWAMI. Interestingly, it is a happy occurance that with the proper settings entered into the database, the Sim will give detection ranges based on conditions that are very similiar to his data, it would seem at first glance anyway. I always thought the people at SCS knew what they were doing. __________________ LW

03-20-06, 03:35 AM	#3
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Yeh Miasnikovs stuff is over 10 years old but other interesting papers are: The future of Russia's Strategic Nuclear Forces: Discussion and Arguments. Can Russian Strategic Submarines survive at Sea ? The Fundamental limits of Passive Acoustics. Another intersesting paper is Gordon D Tyler, JR's : The Emergence of Low-Frequency Active Acoustics as a Critical Antisubmarine Warfare Technology. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

03-20-06, 02:07 PM	#5
Nexus7 Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Good struff... thanks for posting it __________________ If you are going through hell... keep going (Winston Churchill)

03-20-06, 02:32 PM	#6
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bellman where are these papers available? __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

03-20-06, 04:21 AM	#4
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Really intereseting .. more please !

03-20-06, 05:06 PM	#7
Nexus7 Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	They are in Bellmann office, main desk third driver to the right. Watch out for the sneaky seals :rotfl: __________________ If you are going through hell... keep going (Winston Churchill)

03-20-06, 06:10 PM	#8
Wim Libaers Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Flanders Posts: 569 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/snf/snf0322.htm http://www.princeton.edu/~globsec/pu...2miasnikov.pdf http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tems/tyler.pdf

03-21-06, 12:13 AM	#9
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Many thanks WL - I had printed the papers but should have Googled for the links. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity