New York to outlaw electronic cigarettes ... what the heck is an elctronic cigarette?

[geetrue]

I didn't even know that they had such a thing as an electronic cigarette ... how would you Bogart something like this?

New York: Starting next week, selling electronic cigarettes to minors in New York will be illegal. State law already prohibits selling cigars, cigarettes and chewing tobacco to those under 18 and retailers can be slapped with a $1,000 fine if they are caught.

Sen. Owen Johnson, R-Babylon, sponsored the measure and says E-cigarettes “have not been proven to be safe for use at any age.”

The battery-powered devices are used to inhale vaporized liquid nicotine instead of tobacco smoke.

They were initially marketed as a safe alternative to cigarettes but some say their candy flavors appeal to minors.

More than 200 new laws will be on the books Jan. 1 and while some may seem silly or outdated others like the approval of
same-sex marriage in Maryland have garnered national attention over the past year.

More laws will pass January 1st 2013 like it will now be illegal for your dog to chase a bear in California

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ntcmp=trending

[Jimbuna]

This is them in the UK, I only know two people who use them:

http://www.skycig.co.uk/

http://www.evape.co.uk/

http://www.smokerelief.co.uk/

[mookiemookie]

It's what I used to quit smoking. I would bet that the tobacco companies are throwing plenty of lobbying dollars behind the campaign to smear electric cigarettes.

[geetrue]

This was the radom ad generated on top of this thread:

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[Gerald]

I'm not a smoker, but where is the biggest difference in taste,(and cost) in terms of them traditional,compared to these electronic cigarette...

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Vendor

I'm not a smoker, but where is the biggest difference in taste,(and cost) in terms of them traditional,compared to these electronic cigarette...

Long term costs? Well, your life if you continue smoking the good old 'backy from the farm.

[Herr-Berbunch]

A bit mis-leading title there geetrue, I think the word 'minors' is very important and a ban to such is needed to prevent then becoming addicted to nicotine. I know of no sane person that would actually think a child being addicted to any drug isn't worth legislating against.

Also, if you really think the ads at the top are random . . .

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Vendor

I'm not a smoker, but where is the biggest difference in taste,(and cost) in terms of them traditional,compared to these electronic cigarette...

It's an electronic device that's shaped just like a cigarette. When you inhale on it as you would a cigarette, a heating element in the device vaporizes a water and glycerin mixture that you inhale and exhale as you would smoke from a cigarette. The benefit is that you're not getting the chemicals that are in tobacco, and you can buy liquid that doesn't even have nicotine in it.

Since it mimics the act of smoking so well, it's handy to use when you're quitting smoking.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's what I used to quit smoking. I would bet that the tobacco companies are throwing plenty of lobbying dollars behind the campaign to smear electric cigarettes.

I doubt it very much, I view all these things (smokes, e-smokes, quitting 'aids', etc.) as being multiple heads of the same hydra as they are all tobacco products (all produced nicotine comes from tobacco or similar plants).

e-smokes are a way to get around the previous laws and to generate new markets (or get kids hooked which is classic tobacco company behavior). No one also knows the effects of using this product yet, and probably won't for another 10 years.

The nicotine based quitting smoking aids are all well and good, unless you actually follow what they say in the instructions. It is interesting to note that a lot of people tend to transfer their habit from smoking to the quitting aid (gum, patch, whatever), and I would argue the instructions they give tend to promote addiction transfer not cessation, due to the amounts used and timescale of use, and that this is intentional. The cost of this stuff is also nuts.

I honestly suspect that the tobacco companies are behind all of this.

[danlisa]

^ Actually, if you look into the US ENDD system closely enough, you will notice that as recent as last year Tobacco Companies were buying out/up ENDD production companies. They realised the potential of the devices and realised the shift that dependants were making to a healthier option. They're not pushing the devices but they sure don't want to miss the boat on the profits.

Also, what costs are "nuts"? My ENDD has saved me over £1000 in 7 months.

While there are currently no accepted health studies on these devices any impartial study will show that they present no health concerns over and above any nicotine intake you incur within a normal diet, say consumation of Eggplants, Cauliflowers, Green Tomatoes or even Potatoes (yes, they all contain nicotine).

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by danlisa

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

A win win me thinks

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by danlisa

^ Actually, if you look into the US ENDD system closely enough, you will notice that as recent as last year Tobacco Companies were buying out/up ENDD production companies. They realised the potential of the devices and realised the shift that dependants were making to a healthier option. They're not pushing the devices but they sure don't want to miss the boat on the profits.

Also, what costs are "nuts"? My ENDD has saved me over £1000 in 7 months.

I was referring to smoking cessation products (ie patch, gum, inhaler etc), which at least in Canada, were crazy expensive (more than cigarettes even, which are also crazy expensive due to tax).

While there are currently no accepted health studies on these devices any impartial study will show that they present no health concerns over and above any nicotine intake you incur within a normal diet, say consumation of Eggplants, Cauliflowers, Green Tomatoes or even Potatoes (yes, they all contain nicotine).

I wasn't referring to nicotine consumption per say, more the delivery system. also those plants do not contain a whole lot of it and most of it is in the stuff people don't eat or are unripe

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

That's good, personally I am happy to be mostly nicotine (minus vegetable intake) free