Career mode - Type VIIC "upgrade"?

past caring · 01-16-06, 01:02 PM

All these months in, it's the first time I've faced this dilemma (I previously stopped playing for a bit, then managed to wipe my career when I returned....).

So - do you bother? Six patrols in and I'm offered the "upgrade", but looking at the game manual I can't see any actual benefit. The VIIC is slower than the VIIB both above and below water, it dives more slowly and has a shorter underwater range.

But that's what the book says. What about those who've sailed her? are there any practical benefits? 'Cos for the moment I'm inclined to save my reknown (I also understand I'd have to spend even more reknown re-equipping the new boat with upgrades I've already got fitted on the VIIB).

ps - this isn't one of those things where I've got to get this upgrade in order to later get the IXs and XXI, is it?

Crash Dive · 01-16-06, 01:17 PM

IMO their is no real advantage.

Kaptan Tommy · 01-16-06, 01:38 PM

I'm hanging on to my VIIB as long as I can...

Kaptan Tommy · 01-16-06, 01:45 PM

Wrong Carson there, CV-707.

Kalach · 01-16-06, 04:11 PM

I believe the 'C' moves as fast as the 'B' when you get the engine upgrade.
The only real advantage I can see is that the 'C' will be able to get additional (and nicer looking) conning tower upgrades - not that you should be playing with the planes anyway

Farside · 01-16-06, 05:52 PM

if you want to make a 'u-flak' like boat, go for the VII/C if you want a nice sub basically the same stay with the B

GT182 · 01-16-06, 07:04 PM

Or if you want to travel to far away places warm sunshine and tropical breezes... save your renoun for a XIB. You'll carry more torpedos and be able to sink more shipping. It's very nice for those large convoys you come across and want to wreek havoc on. The upgrade is in the eye of the beholder.

But putting the far away places aside, with SHIII Commander 2.3 installed you can select the partol area you want. Even the Uboat number you wish to have, along with other changes.

donut · 01-17-06, 04:50 AM

The crew & captain, up graded from VIIB to a IX two patrols later went back to a VIIC. We now have 42 patrols under our belt.It's late 1943 Its getting tough to stay alive.

Kaptan Tommy · 01-17-06, 06:54 AM

Hmmmm, what boat do I need, and where do I need to start from in order to hit the east coast of the U.S.? One way trips don't do much for "reknown", I don't think...

Laughing Swordfish · 01-17-06, 08:48 AM

I have it in my head that a VIIC will go deeper, and cope better with sustained depth charges than a VIIB.

Speed is great but only really when crash diving.

Whether you are doing 2, 3 or 4 knots submerged doesn't really matter if the escorts are charging about doing 25; but using the third dimension of the sea does. Because the ability to go deeper means that the depth charge must take longer to reach us, and therefore give us more time to scoot away from the splash, but also, the deeper it has to be set for, the less, by the increased water pressure surrounding it, will be the explosive impact.

Neither is any substitute for shrewd boat handling, of course, and whatever type of boat we take out, it is in that we must place our trust.

LS

uhu · 01-17-06, 08:59 AM

-With VIIC, the dive time is lesser, only with a few seconds, but it could be live saving in air-dominancy times.

-More conning tower upgrades (maybe also more battery upgrades?)

01-19-06, 07:01 AM

There were 20x more VIIC build than VIIB, so using VIIC in 1940+ is more close to reality experience.

Ping Jockey · 01-19-06, 09:38 AM

Some of the U-Boat skippers stayed with the VII class because of it's faster dive time.

01-16-06, 01:02 PM	#1
past caring Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 14 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Career mode - Type VIIC "upgrade"? All these months in, it's the first time I've faced this dilemma (I previously stopped playing for a bit, then managed to wipe my career when I returned....). So - do you bother? Six patrols in and I'm offered the "upgrade", but looking at the game manual I can't see any actual benefit. The VIIC is slower than the VIIB both above and below water, it dives more slowly and has a shorter underwater range. But that's what the book says. What about those who've sailed her? are there any practical benefits? 'Cos for the moment I'm inclined to save my reknown (I also understand I'd have to spend even more reknown re-equipping the new boat with upgrades I've already got fitted on the VIIB). ps - this isn't one of those things where I've got to get this upgrade in order to later get the IXs and XXI, is it? __________________ Oh, you wet, you weed, you mite! I will utterly tough you up!

01-16-06, 01:17 PM	#2
Crash Dive Electrician's Mate Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Diego, Ca. Posts: 136 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	IMO their is no real advantage. __________________ \"The sixth electric fish went to her midships to break the ship\'s back and set her afire.\" O\'Kane

01-16-06, 01:38 PM	#3
Kaptan Tommy Planesman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: USA Carson City, NV Posts: 182 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm hanging on to my VIIB as long as I can... __________________ Quit farting around reading the forums and sink some ships!

01-16-06, 01:45 PM	#4
Kaptan Tommy Planesman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: USA Carson City, NV Posts: 182 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wrong Carson there, CV-707. __________________ Quit farting around reading the forums and sink some ships!

01-16-06, 05:52 PM	#6
Farside Sparky Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 155 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	if you want to make a 'u-flak' like boat, go for the VII/C if you want a nice sub basically the same stay with the B __________________ Good Hunting! Torpedo Problems? Check out my thread for FAQ\'s and running depths!

01-16-06, 04:11 PM	#5
Kalach Weps Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 366 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I believe the 'C' moves as fast as the 'B' when you get the engine upgrade. The only real advantage I can see is that the 'C' will be able to get additional (and nicer looking) conning tower upgrades - not that you should be playing with the planes anyway

01-16-06, 07:04 PM	#7
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Or if you want to travel to far away places warm sunshine and tropical breezes... save your renoun for a XIB. You'll carry more torpedos and be able to sink more shipping. It's very nice for those large convoys you come across and want to wreek havoc on. The upgrade is in the eye of the beholder. But putting the far away places aside, with SHIII Commander 2.3 installed you can select the partol area you want. Even the Uboat number you wish to have, along with other changes. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

01-17-06, 04:50 AM	#8
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The crew & captain, up graded from VIIB to a IX two patrols later went back to a VIIC. We now have 42 patrols under our belt.It's late 1943 Its getting tough to stay alive.

01-17-06, 06:54 AM	#9
Kaptan Tommy Planesman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: USA Carson City, NV Posts: 182 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hmmmm, what boat do I need, and where do I need to start from in order to hit the east coast of the U.S.? One way trips don't do much for "reknown", I don't think... __________________ Quit farting around reading the forums and sink some ships!

01-17-06, 08:48 AM	#10
Laughing Swordfish Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Posts: 713 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I have it in my head that a VIIC will go deeper, and cope better with sustained depth charges than a VIIB. Speed is great but only really when crash diving. Whether you are doing 2, 3 or 4 knots submerged doesn't really matter if the escorts are charging about doing 25; but using the third dimension of the sea does. Because the ability to go deeper means that the depth charge must take longer to reach us, and therefore give us more time to scoot away from the splash, but also, the deeper it has to be set for, the less, by the increased water pressure surrounding it, will be the explosive impact. Neither is any substitute for shrewd boat handling, of course, and whatever type of boat we take out, it is in that we must place our trust. LS

01-17-06, 08:59 AM	#11
uhu Shore leave Join Date: May 2005 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 70 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	-With VIIC, the dive time is lesser, only with a few seconds, but it could be live saving in air-dominancy times. -More conning tower upgrades (maybe also more battery upgrades?)

01-19-06, 07:01 AM	#12
Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	There were 20x more VIIC build than VIIB, so using VIIC in 1940+ is more close to reality experience.

01-19-06, 09:38 AM	#13
Ping Jockey Medic Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 159 Downloads: 294 Uploads: 0	Some of the U-Boat skippers stayed with the VII class because of it's faster dive time. __________________ I joined the U S Navy in 1964. Saw the world and a lot more.