THE WRONG MESSAGE?

micky1up · 12-28-05, 08:25 AM

just a question , do u think we send the wrong message to children when we say santa brought the presents when in fact mummy and daddy worked thier socks off to provide those presents, although its inkeeping with christmass spirts are we just plainly lying to our children?

Marhkimov · 12-28-05, 08:41 AM

What??!

There's no Santa??!?

TteFAboB · 12-28-05, 04:10 PM

Fantasy is part of childhood, Santa doesn't exist as a person, but as you said he's there in spirit.

If you can provide some fantasy, then great, if you are sacrificing to buy the present, then maybe it would be better to give a crappy gift on Christmass, figure out an excuse for Santa's behavior, and then give them a better gift on their birthday or another special occasion, where you can tell them about the value of it and make sure they know you gave it.

Don't worry about lying to your children though, before you know it they'll start lying to you in return. :rotfl:

Abraham · 12-28-05, 04:52 PM

As long as children have still unweavering faith in their parents, they should lie to them... about Sint Nicolaas.
At a later age it doesn't work anymore, so parents better tell the truth.

CCIP · 12-28-05, 05:09 PM

I had good reasons to believe in Santa (or, rather, Ded Moroz, his Russian counterpart) - because thanks to my aunt who worked in a theater, I always had a personal home visit from a very convincing Ded Moroz/Santa arranged. How could I not believe? :rotfl:

Takeda Shingen · 12-28-05, 06:36 PM

There is nothing wrong with the childhood fantasy of Santa Claus.

Kapitan · 12-29-05, 08:17 AM

i was a deprived child my pearents told me straight

Oberon · 12-29-05, 08:39 AM

If there's one thing I wish could be bottled, and kept for future use...it's the naivity of youth...believing in Santa Claus, and the Tooth fairy, and all the other little creatures of make-believe.

Wim Libaers · 12-29-05, 02:12 PM

It is very good to make them believe he exists. Later, when they learn about the real situation, they will understand the important lesson that sometimes the whole society, including even those who care about them the most, will sometimes lie to them for reasons that are not very important.

If they fully understand the implications of this for cases where important things are at stake, and the ones they're supposed to trust are not closely related, they will get a more realistic opinion about politics.

Abraham · 12-29-05, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wim Libaers

... If they fully understand the implications of this for cases where important things are at stake, and the ones they're supposed to trust are not closely related, they will get a more realistic opinion about politics.

That's the real lessonof Santa Claus, or Sinterklaas (to stick to the 'real' thing)

12-28-05, 08:25 AM	#1
micky1up Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: helensburgh Posts: 525 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	THE WRONG MESSAGE? just a question , do u think we send the wrong message to children when we say santa brought the presents when in fact mummy and daddy worked thier socks off to provide those presents, although its inkeeping with christmass spirts are we just plainly lying to our children?

12-28-05, 08:41 AM	#2
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What??! There's no Santa??!? __________________ It takes two to tango

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Abraham Eternal Patrol Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	THE WRONG MESSAGE? As long as children have still unweavering faith in their parents, they should lie to them... about Sint Nicolaas. At a later age it doesn't work anymore, so parents better tell the truth. __________________ RIP Abraham

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I had good reasons to believe in Santa (or, rather, Ded Moroz, his Russian counterpart) - because thanks to my aunt who worked in a theater, I always had a personal home visit from a very convincing Ded Moroz/Santa arranged. How could I not believe? :rotfl: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	i was a deprived child my pearents told me straight __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-28-05, 04:10 PM	#3
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Fantasy is part of childhood, Santa doesn't exist as a person, but as you said he's there in spirit. If you can provide some fantasy, then great, if you are sacrificing to buy the present, then maybe it would be better to give a crappy gift on Christmass, figure out an excuse for Santa's behavior, and then give them a better gift on their birthday or another special occasion, where you can tell them about the value of it and make sure they know you gave it. Don't worry about lying to your children though, before you know it they'll start lying to you in return. :rotfl:

12-28-05, 06:36 PM	#6
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	There is nothing wrong with the childhood fantasy of Santa Claus.

12-29-05, 08:39 AM	#8
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	If there's one thing I wish could be bottled, and kept for future use...it's the naivity of youth...believing in Santa Claus, and the Tooth fairy, and all the other little creatures of make-believe.

12-29-05, 02:12 PM	#9
Wim Libaers Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Flanders Posts: 569 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	It is very good to make them believe he exists. Later, when they learn about the real situation, they will understand the important lesson that sometimes the whole society, including even those who care about them the most, will sometimes lie to them for reasons that are not very important. If they fully understand the implications of this for cases where important things are at stake, and the ones they're supposed to trust are not closely related, they will get a more realistic opinion about politics.