Expelled student armed with assault rifle slaughters 17 at Florida high school

Commander Wallace · 02-15-18, 12:36 AM

Once again, gunfire at a High School kills a number of kids / students, in this case, 17. 16 more were reported injured. The shooter In this case was a 19 year old former student expelled for disciplinary reasons.

I have no words except where does this end ?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3820936

Catfish · 02-15-18, 06:20 AM

Very sad. I do not know "where this will stop", but it is obviously happening more and more often.
They say "It is the person that kills, not the weapon." Hm, sure. But making it more difficult to get those guns could be a start?

(OT i read that inspite of Trump whos is pro-gun and NRA, there are less people buying weapons now.. which was explained because Trump is less likely to take guns away from them, so there is less need for defense. An american thing.)
How do you "test" people whether they are prone to do such things, without taking away the freedom of, and for all?

From my german point of view the case is clear, but it is seen entirely different over there.

Jimbuna · 02-15-18, 07:00 AM

According to the BBC this is the eighteenth school shooting in the USA this year and the eighth to include death or serious injury to children.

Skybird · 02-15-18, 07:12 AM

Tja. From this comes that.

But to regain our breaths again, lets discuss callibre, shooting distance and the all-important question whether or not the assault rifle used indeed was an assault rifle or just a semi-automatic rifle. And was it a rifle at all? Its important, you now.

Catfish · 02-15-18, 07:27 AM

sorry for being OT once more:
I remember my first times being in England, that policemen (Bobbies? Coppers?) did not wear arms. This has changed, already before the 'new' terrorism started.
But somehow it was not considered to be necessary back then. The police had a certain 'elevated'(?) status, and people probably had more respect, towards them

Skybird · 02-15-18, 07:40 AM

You know how reputation of police officers in Germany has collapsed in recent years. And politicians betray them, while doing their best to maximise the number of new challenges and threats to them. These days even rescue medics and firefighters get attacked, threatened, spit at by antisocial mobs - often mobs we have happily imported in the past. You read the newspapers over here, you know what I mean. Its almost daily news. Andn that does not even mention the even greater numbers of youtube posters blocking rescue works for shooting their own youtube video.

Prolet mobs behave like prolet mobs, no real surprise there. The more you have of the one, the more you get of the other. Import prolet mobs, or breed them in your own school system and by the degeneration of social standards, and you get what you asked for.

Jimbuna · 02-15-18, 07:54 AM

What is 'Prolet' Sky?

Commander Wallace · 02-15-18, 08:08 AM

Looking at the reply's here, Catfish makes some good points. Maybe it's time to see how Germany, the U.K and others deal with things to keep their kids safe. It has been reported by the news media that along with fire drills, students now have armed intruder drills as well. It's a sad statement that along with learning algebra and chemistry, students must now learn how to survive in the face of crazed individuals who are armed and invading their school.

My question is why were the entry ways not secure ? There should be one or perhaps two entry points equipped with metal detectors and perhaps armed operators. Doors could also be equipped with remote locking mechanisms and have LEO personnel on speed dial. There is no way an armed individual with known disciplinary problems should have been able to gain access to that school.

In light of what Jim had said about the number of shootings and their prevalence, it's criminal negligence not to have safe guards like these and more in place to protect our kids. Especially considering how often this is happening now.

Jimbuna · 02-15-18, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Looking at the reply's here, Catfish makes some good points. Maybe it's time to see how Germany, the U.K and others deal with things to keep their kids safe.

The UK has some of the world's strictest gun-ownership laws and it is now rare for civilians to own private firearms.
The turning point for the country came in 1996, when 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton used legally owned handguns to kill 16 children, all ages 5 and 6, as well as a teacher, before taking his own life.
The massacre in Dunblane, Scotland, prompted widespread outrage and a surge in public support to ban handguns.

Mr Quatro · 02-15-18, 08:36 AM

Guns will get the blame here instead of mental illness

especially guns that don't need be reloaded after every shot ... just a hand gun with extra clips would've had the same causalities, but in this case it was an assault style rifle.

If he had of run down a crowd of people with a truck or a car they wouldn't outlaw trucks and cars.

It's mental illness and I hate to blame the movies and video games, but where else do these young people get their evil desires to kill, murder and maim the people they hate?

Commander Wallace · 02-15-18, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The UK has some of the world's strictest gun-ownership laws and it is now rare for civilians to own private firearms.
The turning point for the country came in 1996, when 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton used legally owned handguns to kill 16 children, all ages 5 and 6, as well as a teacher, before taking his own life.
The massacre in Dunblane, Scotland, prompted widespread outrage and a surge in public support to ban handguns.

I had not heard of this and reading about the Dunblane incident just made me sick. Too bad the individual who committed these acts didn't just take his own life and end it there. That's as bad as the shooting at the Sandy Hook elementary school where the victims were as young as 5. I have been a proponent of armed citizenry. The individuals i know who are armed are sensible, law abiding individuals. It's clear however that we need to address the situation and do things differently.

One thing is clear. School's need to be more secure where visits are by appointment only and then only with a proper escort. Expanding on what Mr. Quatro had said, why are assault weapons needed and sold in the marketplace anyhow ? I have long believed violent video games influence these shootings as well. Well balanced individuals are able to differentiate between reality and video games but i believe that violent video games are a strong influence on mentally handicapped people.

If people need to express their aggressive nature or tendencies, they can pick up a copy of Silent Hunter, Cold water and the like and just have at it. Our members are pretty well balanced and very intelligent and our simulations haven't made us crazy or homicidal .

Mr Quatro · 02-15-18, 08:43 AM

Nikolas Cruz was the 19 year old shooter: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3822163

Quote:

FBI agents were warned about Nikolas Cruz’s plans to become a “professional school shooter” months ago, according to a YouTube vlogger who noticed a sick comment on one of his videos.

Ben Bennight, a bail bondsman in Mississippi who goes by the name Ben the Bondsman, said that he received a terrifying comment from a user called Nikolas Cruz under a video in September.

“This comment said ‘I’m going to be a professional school shooter” and I knew that I couldn’t just ignore that,” he said.

Bennight said that he flagged the comment to YouTube and also sent a screenshot to the FBI, who visited him briefly in September and asked him whether he knew the poster.

Mental illness

Dowly · 02-15-18, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

It's mental illness and I hate to blame the movies and video games, but where else do these young people get their evil desires to kill, murder and maim the people they hate?

There's one huge flaw in blaming video games and movies: You don't see these types of killings take place regularly elsewhere in the world.

Catfish · 02-15-18, 08:50 AM

@Jim 'Prolet' (from proletarian) is a short derogative term for a worker, or a person considered to be poor, or behaving inappropriate. In modern times, it is used to establish a border between you and those you think of as inferior

@Sky: i agree that common sense and behaviour has suffered, however i blame the bullies and good german right wing mobs, with immigrants adjusting. Not here in Hannover though.

@Mr Quatro: I strongly disagree. This is no case of mental illness, but one of fury, a quick temper and egoism. All those traits can well be found in entrepreneurs and big business bosses. Common sense and reason is not what gets you far. Neither here, nor in the US.

I guess i p'd of enough people right now, and rest my case.

Commander Wallace · 02-15-18, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Jim 'Prolet' (from proletarian) is a short derogative term for a worker, or a person considered to be poor, or behaving inappropriate. In modern times, it is used to establish a border between you and those you think of as inferior

@Sky: i agree that common sense and behaviour has suffered, however i blame the bullies and good german right wing mobs, with immigrants adjusting. Not here in Hannover though.

@Mr Quatro: I strongly disagree. This is no case of mental illness, but one of fury, a quick temper and egoism. All those traits can well be found in entrepreneurs and big business bosses. Common sense and reason is not what gets you far. Neither here, nor in the US.

I guess i p'd of enough people right now, and rest my case.

You hardly upset anyone Catfish. The thread was established to encourage an intelligent and lucid discussion such as the one you are having with us right now.

02-15-18, 12:36 AM	#1
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,294 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	Expelled student armed with assault rifle slaughters 17 at Florida high school Once again, gunfire at a High School kills a number of kids / students, in this case, 17. 16 more were reported injured. The shooter In this case was a 19 year old former student expelled for disciplinary reasons. I have no words except where does this end ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3820936

02-15-18, 06:20 AM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Very sad. I do not know "where this will stop", but it is obviously happening more and more often. They say "It is the person that kills, not the weapon." Hm, sure. But making it more difficult to get those guns could be a start? (OT i read that inspite of Trump whos is pro-gun and NRA, there are less people buying weapons now.. which was explained because Trump is less likely to take guns away from them, so there is less need for defense. An american thing.) How do you "test" people whether they are prone to do such things, without taking away the freedom of, and for all? From my german point of view the case is clear, but it is seen entirely different over there. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-15-18, 07:00 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	According to the BBC this is the eighteenth school shooting in the USA this year and the eighth to include death or serious injury to children. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-15-18, 07:12 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Tja. From this comes that. But to regain our breaths again, lets discuss callibre, shooting distance and the all-important question whether or not the assault rifle used indeed was an assault rifle or just a semi-automatic rifle. And was it a rifle at all? Its important, you now. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-15-18, 07:27 AM	#5
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	sorry for being OT once more: I remember my first times being in England, that policemen (Bobbies? Coppers?) did not wear arms. This has changed, already before the 'new' terrorism started. But somehow it was not considered to be necessary back then. The police had a certain 'elevated'(?) status, and people probably had more respect, towards them __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-15-18, 07:40 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You know how reputation of police officers in Germany has collapsed in recent years. And politicians betray them, while doing their best to maximise the number of new challenges and threats to them. These days even rescue medics and firefighters get attacked, threatened, spit at by antisocial mobs - often mobs we have happily imported in the past. You read the newspapers over here, you know what I mean. Its almost daily news. Andn that does not even mention the even greater numbers of youtube posters blocking rescue works for shooting their own youtube video. Prolet mobs behave like prolet mobs, no real surprise there. The more you have of the one, the more you get of the other. Import prolet mobs, or breed them in your own school system and by the degeneration of social standards, and you get what you asked for. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-15-18, 07:54 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	What is 'Prolet' Sky? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-15-18, 08:08 AM	#8
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,294 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	Looking at the reply's here, Catfish makes some good points. Maybe it's time to see how Germany, the U.K and others deal with things to keep their kids safe. It has been reported by the news media that along with fire drills, students now have armed intruder drills as well. It's a sad statement that along with learning algebra and chemistry, students must now learn how to survive in the face of crazed individuals who are armed and invading their school. My question is why were the entry ways not secure ? There should be one or perhaps two entry points equipped with metal detectors and perhaps armed operators. Doors could also be equipped with remote locking mechanisms and have LEO personnel on speed dial. There is no way an armed individual with known disciplinary problems should have been able to gain access to that school. In light of what Jim had said about the number of shootings and their prevalence, it's criminal negligence not to have safe guards like these and more in place to protect our kids. Especially considering how often this is happening now.

02-15-18, 08:36 AM	#10
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Guns will get the blame here instead of mental illness especially guns that don't need be reloaded after every shot ... just a hand gun with extra clips would've had the same causalities, but in this case it was an assault style rifle. If he had of run down a crowd of people with a truck or a car they wouldn't outlaw trucks and cars. It's mental illness and I hate to blame the movies and video games, but where else do these young people get their evil desires to kill, murder and maim the people they hate? __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

02-15-18, 08:50 AM	#14
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	@Jim 'Prolet' (from proletarian) is a short derogative term for a worker, or a person considered to be poor, or behaving inappropriate. In modern times, it is used to establish a border between you and those you think of as inferior @Sky: i agree that common sense and behaviour has suffered, however i blame the bullies and good german right wing mobs, with immigrants adjusting. Not here in Hannover though. @Mr Quatro: I strongly disagree. This is no case of mental illness, but one of fury, a quick temper and egoism. All those traits can well be found in entrepreneurs and big business bosses. Common sense and reason is not what gets you far. Neither here, nor in the US. I guess i p'd of enough people right now, and rest my case. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.