Riddle me this: impact good vs lesser NCO surprise

03-19-17, 07:35 AM

Observe screenshot below. I've put a high rank NCO with very good M/E/R to rest, yet in red oval you'll see he has only little impact on the watch tower:
http://i.imgur.com/W2rx3aM.png

Now observe the next link below. I've put a low rank NCO to rest with lesser M/E/R yet his removal from the watch tower has a far greater impact:
http://i.imgur.com/Efv4jGD.png

Please explain.

03-20-17, 01:25 PM

No one? Simple truth might be that this concept of Morale, fatigue and resilience is broken.

HW3 · 03-20-17, 01:38 PM

In the first screenshot you still have an NCO watchman on the bridge and all the watch slots are filled. In the second there is no NCO watchman on the bridge, just a Flak gunner. I can't tell if an officer is present, if not that will reduce the overall effectiveness of the watch crew hench the reduction of the green bar.

03-20-17, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HW3

In the first screenshot you still have an NCO watchman on the bridge and all the watch slots are filled. In the second there is no NCO watchman on the bridge, just a Flak gunner. I can't tell if an officer is present, if not that will reduce the overall effectiveness of the watch crew hench the reduction of the green bar.

I have always an NCO on the bridge. They all are "watchman" qualified. The officer is always present. Everything is equal except that the high ranking NCO (with 3 qualifications including watchman) has less impact compared to the low ranking NCO. And that is weird.

EDIT SOLVED for now: the high rank NCO has three qualifications. However, the first two don't work. So I've changed the order of qualifications so the Watchman star is the first. Now he has a much higher impact as it should be.
Also, after experimenting more, notice the qualifications or the ranks do not matter on the flak gun. Also, the three qualifications do work for officers!

THEBERBSTER · 03-20-17, 05:51 PM

Hi Machariel
The Watchman with the 3 qualifications must have the main qualification in position 1 to be department effective.
Peter

03-20-17, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by THEBERBSTER

Hi Machariel
The Watchman with the 3 qualifications must have the main qualification in position 1 to be department effective.
Peter

Yes, I've found out as I wrote, but thanks anyway.

Leoz · 03-20-17, 11:01 PM

SHIII did some things that are OK with crewing.

Yet, they still didn't understand that the hydroplane station isn't occupied during surface operations. And that is only one example.

The Navigator is not an officer but senior enlisted.

The fatigue model is not something very useful. A crewman is fairly qualified from Baltic workups and the school. The idea that one would get tired during their watch may happen once. Then there would be a very negative conversation with the next in line Bootsman or the Chief Bosun before it even got to the watch officer. Then, suddenly, next watch, that person isn't so tired and gets through their watch. That and peer pressure.

So, I get it that they put fatigue into the game. Very commendable. But....poorly executed.

So, don't expect much from it. Enjoy those things in the game that are really good.

All that fresh, salt air and wind...

Leoz · 03-20-17, 11:13 PM

duplicate...

Gargamel · 03-21-17, 07:09 PM

Bet way to deal with fatigue is to just turn it off IMO.

03-19-17, 07:35 AM	#1
Machariel Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Riddle me this: impact good vs lesser NCO surprise Observe screenshot below. I've put a high rank NCO with very good M/E/R to rest, yet in red oval you'll see he has only little impact on the watch tower: http://i.imgur.com/W2rx3aM.png Now observe the next link below. I've put a low rank NCO to rest with lesser M/E/R yet his removal from the watch tower has a far greater impact: http://i.imgur.com/Efv4jGD.png Please explain. Last edited by Machariel; 03-20-17 at 01:26 PM.

03-20-17, 01:25 PM	#2
Machariel Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	No one? Simple truth might be that this concept of Morale, fatigue and resilience is broken. Last edited by Machariel; 03-20-17 at 01:33 PM.

03-20-17, 01:38 PM	#3
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,574 Downloads: 458 Uploads: 0	In the first screenshot you still have an NCO watchman on the bridge and all the watch slots are filled. In the second there is no NCO watchman on the bridge, just a Flak gunner. I can't tell if an officer is present, if not that will reduce the overall effectiveness of the watch crew hench the reduction of the green bar. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

03-20-17, 05:51 PM	#5
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	Hi Machariel The Watchman with the 3 qualifications must have the main qualification in position 1 to be department effective. Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

03-20-17, 11:01 PM	#7
Leoz Officer Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Near The Rockalls Bank Posts: 247 Downloads: 261 Uploads: 0	SHIII did some things that are OK with crewing. Yet, they still didn't understand that the hydroplane station isn't occupied during surface operations. And that is only one example. The Navigator is not an officer but senior enlisted. The fatigue model is not something very useful. A crewman is fairly qualified from Baltic workups and the school. The idea that one would get tired during their watch may happen once. Then there would be a very negative conversation with the next in line Bootsman or the Chief Bosun before it even got to the watch officer. Then, suddenly, next watch, that person isn't so tired and gets through their watch. That and peer pressure. So, I get it that they put fatigue into the game. Very commendable. But....poorly executed. So, don't expect much from it. Enjoy those things in the game that are really good. All that fresh, salt air and wind... __________________ Leoz "Auf gefechtsstationen!" NYGM

03-20-17, 11:13 PM	#8
Leoz Officer Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Near The Rockalls Bank Posts: 247 Downloads: 261 Uploads: 0	duplicate... __________________ Leoz "Auf gefechtsstationen!" NYGM

03-21-17, 07:09 PM	#9
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Bet way to deal with fatigue is to just turn it off IMO. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.