Israel and the Arabs forming a coalition?

August · 01-21-16, 10:27 PM

What do you guys think, pie in the sky?

Quote:

Israel warms to Sunni powers, questions US' Palestinian focus

While the U.S. is pressing Israel to make peace with Palestinian leaders, it is missing the much bigger story of the Jewish State improving relations with several Muslim nations in the Middle East, according to a top Israeli official. Outlining the fast-developing relationship between Israel and other Sunni states in the region, including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey, the official went beyond earlier comments by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and expressed Israel’s dismay at U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01...?intcmp=hplnws

nikimcbee · 01-21-16, 11:39 PM

Wow, if those two groups could get along?

What's next, cats and dogs?

Cybermat47 · 01-22-16, 02:38 AM

What's this? The possibility of peace in the Middle East? I must have hit my head...

Catfish · 01-22-16, 03:46 AM

Peace? Then it will be all of them against the Shiites.. and the Shiites are already a minority.

Apart from that there's always the Jewish Popular Front, against the Popular Front Judea, and i do not want to know how many diverting sunnite groups exist.. Sufi orders, sects ..

Jimbuna · 01-22-16, 06:30 AM

Probably pushed along by the comment "Israel’s dismay at U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East."

Peace in that area is long overdue.

Skybird · 01-22-16, 06:45 AM

No news there. Relations between Israel and Jordan, Egypt, have been pragmatically okay since long time, and the other regional regimes since the 70s at the latest had understood that Israel's existence does not put their own tyrannical regimes at risk at all. Its all pragmatism until here. Three lost wars have taught their lessons to the Arabs, too.

When they now seem to move closer to each other, this does not indicate a warming of emotions for each other. Only illustrates how desperate everybody is about the IS maelstrom and Obama's Uran-deal.

Iran-deal I mean of course.

And as I often have said: compared to the Shia-Sunni war, the Palestinian-Arab question is of complete meaninglessness anyway, the Arab side always has made propagandistic use of it only, never meant it to be representative for a vital key interest of theirs. Europeans and Americans usually just do not get this when demanding Israel to make ever more concession to the Palestinian Arabs.

Platapus · 01-22-16, 09:12 AM

Well there is nothing intrinsic that would prevent Arab nations and Jewish nations getting along.

Mike Abberton · 01-22-16, 10:24 AM

It has become increasingly clear to me that the primary source of conflict in the Middle East is, and always has been, the Sunni-Shia conflict.

At various times, like the during the Cold War, the outside world has co-opted that conflict to their own ends in political proxy wars against their global opponents and/or as a way to gain access/control of resources. But those proxy wars were only possible because of the underlying conflict that already existed in the region.

The thaw in the Cold War, the lessening of overt manipulation of the region by outside agents, and the Arab Spring Revolutions, have really made that clear. As the outside influences recede, the regional powers in the Middle East focus inwards to fight their battles.

Mike

Skybird · 01-22-16, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

Well there is nothing intrinsic that would prevent Arab nations and Jewish nations getting along.

As long as 14 centuries of habit, tradition and education to hate Jews do not qualify as having turned into an intrinsic quality after that short time.

Oberon · 01-22-16, 11:39 AM

So Israel is siding with the Sunnis...interesting move...not sure that it'll work out well for them, especially with the likes of Saudi Arabia. Staying out of the Saudi-Iran conflict is probably in Israels best interests at this stage, even if they are going to feel the effects of it. The problem with siding with the Sunnis is that you are unofficially siding with Daesh, or at the very least their supporters in Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
Of course, since the majority of Israels neighbours are Sunni then it's probably more of a pragmatic move than anything else, but it's still a bit like putting an appendage into a blender.

Jimbuna · 01-22-16, 09:05 PM

Only time will tell.

01-21-16, 11:39 PM	#2
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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Peace? Then it will be all of them against the Shiites.. and the Shiites are already a minority. Apart from that there's always the Jewish Popular Front, against the Popular Front Judea, and i do not want to know how many diverting sunnite groups exist.. Sufi orders, sects .. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

01-22-16, 06:30 AM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Probably pushed along by the comment "Israel’s dismay at U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East." Peace in that area is long overdue. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-22-16, 06:45 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	No news there. Relations between Israel and Jordan, Egypt, have been pragmatically okay since long time, and the other regional regimes since the 70s at the latest had understood that Israel's existence does not put their own tyrannical regimes at risk at all. Its all pragmatism until here. Three lost wars have taught their lessons to the Arabs, too. When they now seem to move closer to each other, this does not indicate a warming of emotions for each other. Only illustrates how desperate everybody is about the IS maelstrom and Obama's Uran-deal. Iran-deal I mean of course. And as I often have said: compared to the Shia-Sunni war, the Palestinian-Arab question is of complete meaninglessness anyway, the Arab side always has made propagandistic use of it only, never meant it to be representative for a vital key interest of theirs. Europeans and Americans usually just do not get this when demanding Israel to make ever more concession to the Palestinian Arabs. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-22-16, 09:12 AM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Well there is nothing intrinsic that would prevent Arab nations and Jewish nations getting along. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-22-16, 10:24 AM	#8
Mike Abberton Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 135 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	It has become increasingly clear to me that the primary source of conflict in the Middle East is, and always has been, the Sunni-Shia conflict. At various times, like the during the Cold War, the outside world has co-opted that conflict to their own ends in political proxy wars against their global opponents and/or as a way to gain access/control of resources. But those proxy wars were only possible because of the underlying conflict that already existed in the region. The thaw in the Cold War, the lessening of overt manipulation of the region by outside agents, and the Arab Spring Revolutions, have really made that clear. As the outside influences recede, the regional powers in the Middle East focus inwards to fight their battles. Mike

01-22-16, 11:39 AM	#10
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	So Israel is siding with the Sunnis...interesting move...not sure that it'll work out well for them, especially with the likes of Saudi Arabia. Staying out of the Saudi-Iran conflict is probably in Israels best interests at this stage, even if they are going to feel the effects of it. The problem with siding with the Sunnis is that you are unofficially siding with Daesh, or at the very least their supporters in Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Of course, since the majority of Israels neighbours are Sunni then it's probably more of a pragmatic move than anything else, but it's still a bit like putting an appendage into a blender.

01-22-16, 09:05 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Only time will tell. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!