Pope Francis: Who am I to judge gay people?

Gerald · 07-29-13, 08:11 AM

The Pope's position on gay people appears to contrast with that of his predecessor.

Quote:

Pope Francis has said gay people should not be marginalised but integrated into society.
Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church's position that homosexual acts were sinful, but homosexual orientation was not."If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?"

The Pope needs to Promote Their ideas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23489702

Note: 29 July 2013 Last updated at 12:54 GMT

Cybermat47 · 07-29-13, 04:20 PM

I like this new Pope!

Apparently he's gotten rid of that golden throne too!

Stealhead · 07-29-13, 04:42 PM

Well that belongs to the Vatican(the throne) not the Pope so he did not get rid of it he just does not use it.

You know this reminds me of a book I found and scanned through once it was claiming how the Catholic Church was supporting communism by helping poor people and what not.

It was obliviously propaganda written by a hard core anti-communist anti-Catholic Protestant.I do not recall the exact title but it was a 1970's era book it does not matter anyway as it was nothing more than a propaganda rag.

I am not a Catholic by the way but I have no problem with Catholics or any religion really unless your goal is to make Hello Kitty real or something like that.

Schroeder · 07-29-13, 04:42 PM

Was about time. He doesn't seem to be as conservative as a lot of people have feared.

Skybird · 07-29-13, 05:20 PM

He also said that women should play a more active role, but that they should not be priests. So his turning away from conservatism has limits.

On TV I just saw him minutes ago, in the same press meeting in a plane he also condemned lobbies in general (when being asked whether there was a gay lobby in the Vatican) and said that all kinds of lobbies are bad. Score!

His comment on gays is just sound reason, and when combining it with his remarks on lobbyism in general it is not much different than what I think and say, too: leave gays as what they are, stop making a big issue of it (both in good or bad), do not discriminate them but also stop pushing gay agendas down the throat of people and society all the time.

My view of marriage and family is unchanged, of course. And I do not expect this pope to change the church's view of gay marriages. Nor has he so far.

WernherVonTrapp · 07-29-13, 07:01 PM

I think the Pope is right. There is only one judge, and it's not me either. I'm still very busy trying to remove the plank from my own eye.

Skybird · 07-29-13, 07:40 PM

Why not using that plank for keeping the eyelid open so that you see better?

Mittelwaechter · 07-29-13, 07:53 PM

I am atheist, but I think this Pope could be a great leader for those who do believe but still have an open mind. A modern, realistic and liberal-minded Pope - as far as this is possible.

He may be a problem for the conservative, narrow minded bullheads, those fanatic christians who own the air superiority over their traditional, only true ethical values.

Let's hope he will not be put out of the game violently.

Cybermat47 · 07-29-13, 08:01 PM

^^^

+1

Except I'm agnostic.

Still, great Pope

WernherVonTrapp · 07-29-13, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

He may be a problem for the conservative, narrow minded bullheads, those fanatic christians who own the air superiority over their traditional, only true ethical values.

Let's hope he will not be put out of the game violently.

The best way to recognize a true Christian is not by the what he/she calls themself, but by the fruit they bear. You cannot be a true Christian and then bear bad fruit.

07-29-13, 08:20 PM

Awwww, how very nice and kind of this hypocrite to "not judge gay priests". We should all be happy and grateful...

The hell is wrong with your memory guys?
That guy is quite known for his anti-gay talks after his election and before.

One example: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new...the-father-of/

Also, he did not say "Who am I to judge" regarding gay people in general, he actually said: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” - and that was related to gay priests, not gays in general.
An interesting read on this

What the pope thinks about gays and gay marriage, he said clearly in the past, before and after his election, like calling homosexuality a "disease".

He is just as conservative as the guy before him,maybe even worse.

Mittelwaechter · 07-29-13, 09:17 PM

I was not aware of his former statements about homosexuality until the recent news.

Maybe he learned from this gay clerical circle in Rome that this attribute is not a disease but a very human nature like being blue eyed or left handed.

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” reads to me "If someone is gay..." not "if some priest is gay...".

I'm sure the Pope will have a second chance to clear this statement.

Armistead · 07-29-13, 10:32 PM

Let's see, you can be gay, but if you have gay sex, then you're sinful. I'm sure that's a comfort for gay people..

07-29-13, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

I was not aware of his former statements about homosexuality until the recent news.

Maybe he learned from this gay clerical circle in Rome that this attribute is not a disease but a very human nature like being blue eyed or left handed.

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” reads to me "If someone is gay..." not "if some priest is gay...".

I'm sure the Pope will have a second chance to clear this statement.

He did not mention priests in that sentence - but gay priests were the topic when he said that, if I am not mistaken. Also, if he does make a difference between a gay christian or gay non-christian person (and he does, not every human being is the same to him) then everything he says or does is irrelevant to me anyways. Why would I look up to someone who thinks in such stupid extremes? Cause someone declared him the holy friggin pope and covered him in clothes that could feed a starving village somewhere for half a year? This "system" and religion (religion in general) is so flawed, so wrong, so fake and stupid, it makes me sick.

And now I see some people state "Oh, looks like hes OK after all" just because of this one silly line, that was also taken out of context.
I know, charisma can be a powerful weapon, mankind experienced this very often. Yet, I wish people would not be so naive sometimes and think things through more often.

CaptainHaplo · 07-30-13, 12:54 AM

This Pope was offering one of the truism of faith:

Love the sinner but hate the sin.

He said they needed to be integrated into society. OK nothing wrong with that. He said it isn't his job to judge them - and he is right on that score as well - judgment belongs to the Almighty.

Yep, he still says homosexual acts are a sin - and they still are. Note he qualifies - if they search for the Lord - because faith says that the Lord can give you the strength to overcome sin - thus a homosexual who comes to the Lord with a "good will" - a desirous heart to follow - will be given the ability to overcome their homosexuality - in whatever way the Lord sees fit (perhaps having them choose celibacy).

He has his faith in the Almighty and His power, not that of man. Rake him over the coals if you want, but he condemned the sin - not the sinner. There is a difference - one that many can not or will not (by choice) accept.

And I am not even Catholic.....

07-29-13, 04:20 PM	#2
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,408 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 23	I like this new Pope! Apparently he's gotten rid of that golden throne too! __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

07-29-13, 04:42 PM	#4
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Was about time. He doesn't seem to be as conservative as a lot of people have feared. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

07-29-13, 05:20 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	He also said that women should play a more active role, but that they should not be priests. So his turning away from conservatism has limits. On TV I just saw him minutes ago, in the same press meeting in a plane he also condemned lobbies in general (when being asked whether there was a gay lobby in the Vatican) and said that all kinds of lobbies are bad. Score! His comment on gays is just sound reason, and when combining it with his remarks on lobbyism in general it is not much different than what I think and say, too: leave gays as what they are, stop making a big issue of it (both in good or bad), do not discriminate them but also stop pushing gay agendas down the throat of people and society all the time. My view of marriage and family is unchanged, of course. And I do not expect this pope to change the church's view of gay marriages. Nor has he so far. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-29-13, 07:01 PM	#6
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	I think the Pope is right. There is only one judge, and it's not me either. I'm still very busy trying to remove the plank from my own eye. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

07-29-13, 07:40 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Why not using that plank for keeping the eyelid open so that you see better? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-29-13, 04:42 PM	#3
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well that belongs to the Vatican(the throne) not the Pope so he did not get rid of it he just does not use it. You know this reminds me of a book I found and scanned through once it was claiming how the Catholic Church was supporting communism by helping poor people and what not. It was obliviously propaganda written by a hard core anti-communist anti-Catholic Protestant.I do not recall the exact title but it was a 1970's era book it does not matter anyway as it was nothing more than a propaganda rag. I am not a Catholic by the way but I have no problem with Catholics or any religion really unless your goal is to make Hello Kitty real or something like that.

07-29-13, 07:53 PM	#8
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	I am atheist, but I think this Pope could be a great leader for those who do believe but still have an open mind. A modern, realistic and liberal-minded Pope - as far as this is possible. He may be a problem for the conservative, narrow minded bullheads, those fanatic christians who own the air superiority over their traditional, only true ethical values. Let's hope he will not be put out of the game violently. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

07-29-13, 08:01 PM	#9
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,408 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 23	^^^ +1 Except I'm agnostic. Still, great Pope __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

07-29-13, 08:20 PM	#11
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Awwww, how very nice and kind of this hypocrite to "not judge gay priests". We should all be happy and grateful... The hell is wrong with your memory guys? That guy is quite known for his anti-gay talks after his election and before. One example: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new...the-father-of/ Also, he did not say "Who am I to judge" regarding gay people in general, he actually said: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” - and that was related to gay priests, not gays in general. An interesting read on this What the pope thinks about gays and gay marriage, he said clearly in the past, before and after his election, like calling homosexuality a "disease". He is just as conservative as the guy before him,maybe even worse.

07-29-13, 09:17 PM	#12
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	I was not aware of his former statements about homosexuality until the recent news. Maybe he learned from this gay clerical circle in Rome that this attribute is not a disease but a very human nature like being blue eyed or left handed. “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” reads to me "If someone is gay..." not "if some priest is gay...". I'm sure the Pope will have a second chance to clear this statement. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

07-29-13, 10:32 PM	#13
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Let's see, you can be gay, but if you have gay sex, then you're sinful. I'm sure that's a comfort for gay people.. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

07-30-13, 12:54 AM	#15
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	This Pope was offering one of the truism of faith: Love the sinner but hate the sin. He said they needed to be integrated into society. OK nothing wrong with that. He said it isn't his job to judge them - and he is right on that score as well - judgment belongs to the Almighty. Yep, he still says homosexual acts are a sin - and they still are. Note he qualifies - if they search for the Lord - because faith says that the Lord can give you the strength to overcome sin - thus a homosexual who comes to the Lord with a "good will" - a desirous heart to follow - will be given the ability to overcome their homosexuality - in whatever way the Lord sees fit (perhaps having them choose celibacy). He has his faith in the Almighty and His power, not that of man. Rake him over the coals if you want, but he condemned the sin - not the sinner. There is a difference - one that many can not or will not (by choice) accept. And I am not even Catholic..... __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo