What if- A nuclear thought

mapuc · 07-12-12, 04:14 PM

Last night I saw World War two-in colours, last episode.

In this episode that was about the war in the pacific and the use of nuclear weapon against Japan-A thought came up-What if we had devoloped the nuclear weapon before World war 2

1. Would the war have started?
2 If yes, when in the war, would the weapon have been used ?
3 if yes on both point, wich side would use it first ?

I didn't came longer that to number one. Would Germany have attacked Poland if they new that England had nuclear weapon? Or would the relay on the air defence if such an attack would occur?

Markus

Takeda Shingen · 07-12-12, 04:25 PM

If the Second World War was a nuclear one, I don't know who would have dropped the first bomb. Somebody would have done it eventually, and so London would probably look like this today:

And Tokyo:

Moscow:

Neal on his way to work:

Me on my way to work:

Glad it didn't turn out that way.

Onkel Neal · 07-12-12, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Neal on his way to work:

Glad it didn't turn out that way.

Me too, look what the radiation did to me! Well, at least Mel Gibson is there to keep me safe.

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TLAM Strike · 07-13-12, 12:50 AM

Both sides in Europe didn't use Chem/Bio weapons because of the threat of mutual retaliation.

Japan refused to use them on the US because of the same. (can't be said about them an China).

I don't think they would have been eager to use them, and by the time they were desperate enough to try delivery would have been highly difficult if not impossible. (and I discount use of missiles as delivery systems because of the limited payload of the V2 at the time.)

Codz · 07-13-12, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Me too, look what the radiation did to me! Well, at least Mel Gibson is there to keep me safe.

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I was laughing for a good five minutes at that.

gimpy117 · 07-13-12, 01:48 AM

nobody wins WW3

Codz · 07-13-12, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

nobody wins WW3

If it's nuclear. If it were conventional, it might have victors.

BossMark · 07-13-12, 02:16 AM

Well lets put it like this just before things started to go bad for Adolf an he got pissed off maybe he would have pushed the button first before he topped himself

Catfish · 07-13-12, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Me too, look what the radiation did to me! Well, at least Mel Gibson is there to keep me safe.

Dive! Dive! Dive! · 07-13-12, 08:24 AM

Depends who has nukes. Everyone or just a few nations?

TLAM Strike · 07-13-12, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

nobody wins WW3

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Originally Posted by Codz

If it's nuclear. If it were conventional, it might have victors.

Nukes are not some kind of silver bullet, there delivery methods are quite conventional. There was a reason we built 32,000 of the things (and its not that Russia was a big country). We did not expect a large number to make it to their targets.

We have had ABM systems since the 1960s. ASATs were deployed in the USAF a year after Sputnik.

The "Star Wars" weapons of Reagan's era were very nearly a reality.

The reason these were not developed was political.

With the threat of a real nuclear war working countermeasures could quickly be deployed (not counting an "out of the blue" type of attack by the guy with a single bomb).

If we are talking about a WWII with nuclear weapons than both sides would have some kind of countermeasures already. If one side has ballistic missiles, the other side would be developing ABMs. If one side has high altitude bombers than the other side would be developing interceptors or SAMs, boomers; hunter-killers and so on.

Dive! Dive! Dive! · 07-13-12, 09:56 AM

It depends what we are talking about nuke-wise. I am not sure about missile delivered nukes as WW2 era missiles would be unreliable in a nuke war. Nukes dropped from bombers would probably be the main form of delivery.

mapuc · 07-13-12, 01:33 PM

Just to clear things out-Both side have nuclear weapons and both side have developed rocket(V2)

Markus

MH · 07-13-12, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Just to clear things out-Both side have nuclear weapons and both side have developed rocket(V2)

Markus

Vould be vonderful

Oberon · 07-13-12, 03:19 PM

MEIN FUHRER! I CAN WALK!!

07-12-12, 04:14 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	What if- A nuclear thought Last night I saw World War two-in colours, last episode. In this episode that was about the war in the pacific and the use of nuclear weapon against Japan-A thought came up-What if we had devoloped the nuclear weapon before World war 2 1. Would the war have started? 2 If yes, when in the war, would the weapon have been used ? 3 if yes on both point, wich side would use it first ? I didn't came longer that to number one. Would Germany have attacked Poland if they new that England had nuclear weapon? Or would the relay on the air defence if such an attack would occur? Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

07-13-12, 12:50 AM	#4
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Both sides in Europe didn't use Chem/Bio weapons because of the threat of mutual retaliation. Japan refused to use them on the US because of the same. (can't be said about them an China). I don't think they would have been eager to use them, and by the time they were desperate enough to try delivery would have been highly difficult if not impossible. (and I discount use of missiles as delivery systems because of the limited payload of the V2 at the time.) __________________

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gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	nobody wins WW3 __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

07-13-12, 02:16 AM	#8
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Well lets put it like this just before things started to go bad for Adolf an he got pissed off maybe he would have pushed the button first before he topped himself __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

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Dive! Dive! Dive! Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2012 Location: In a sub Posts: 122 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	Depends who has nukes. Everyone or just a few nations? __________________ "Herr Kaleun, we have ran aground!"

07-12-12, 04:25 PM	#2
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	If the Second World War was a nuclear one, I don't know who would have dropped the first bomb. Somebody would have done it eventually, and so London would probably look like this today: And Tokyo: Moscow: Neal on his way to work: Me on my way to work: Glad it didn't turn out that way.

07-13-12, 09:56 AM	#12
Dive! Dive! Dive! Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2012 Location: In a sub Posts: 122 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	It depends what we are talking about nuke-wise. I am not sure about missile delivered nukes as WW2 era missiles would be unreliable in a nuke war. Nukes dropped from bombers would probably be the main form of delivery. __________________ "Herr Kaleun, we have ran aground!"

07-13-12, 01:33 PM	#13
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Just to clear things out-Both side have nuclear weapons and both side have developed rocket(V2) Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

07-13-12, 03:19 PM	#15
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	MEIN FUHRER! I CAN WALK!!