Another Russian submarine fire.

nikimcbee · 12-29-11, 03:10 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/no-radiation-t...155353941.html

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Konashenkov said the fire had started on the wooden scaffolding and then engulfed the submarine's outer hull. Most modern submarines' outer hulls are covered with rubber to make them less noisy and more difficult for an enemy to detect.

These guys need to take some safety training.

vienna · 12-29-11, 03:16 PM

Maybe Russia doesn't have an OSHA...

soopaman2 · 12-29-11, 04:25 PM

Next time, they should use TWICE the duct tape.

August · 12-29-11, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Maybe Russia doesn't have an OSHA...

Not any more. They were sent to the Gulag for citing Putin for not wearing hunter orange...

Rockstar · 12-29-11, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Maybe Russia doesn't have an OSHA...

Whats cheaper buy another submarine or start up and struggle to support another large government bureaucratic nightmare.

I'd go with build another submarine.

RickC Sniper · 12-29-11, 09:05 PM

The Russian navy has a nasty history with fire.

Jimbuna · 12-30-11, 08:12 AM

Good thing she was unarmed and the fire never spread to the interior.

geetrue · 12-30-11, 08:51 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/

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The damage from the fire could be so massive that the submarine would need to be scrapped, the Interfax news agency reported Friday. But Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of the nation's military industries, said after the meeting that the submarine will rejoin the navy after repairs

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An unspecified number of crew remained inside the submarine during the fire, Defense Ministry spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov said in a statement

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Konashenkov's statement left it unclear whether the crew were trapped there or ordered to stay inside.

Platapus · 12-30-11, 06:11 PM

Is the death count still zero with about 10 people injured?

Glad they were able to get it under control.

Delta IV. That brings back memories.

Bubblehead Nuke · 01-03-12, 06:44 PM

Wow.. the latest pictures tell the story.

The front Subsim page has the artcicle. Here is the link: http://www.barentsobserver.com/subma...663-58932.html

The blogger who posted the pictures said it was in the torpedo room. I have to disagree with him. It looks like there was a large hole cut in the forward outer hull into the wet space were the sonar arrray is housed.

Now the news statement about needed a new hydrophone array makes sense.

It also makes sense that they could partially submerge the hull. If the forward compartment was open and they flooded it, that boat would be razar blade fodder now. Talk about flooding...

TorpX · 01-03-12, 09:33 PM

Wouldn't a fire of this nature, inside the hull make it neccessary to scrap it? I mean because of the hull alloy being compromised?

TLAM Strike · 01-03-12, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

Wouldn't a fire of this nature, inside the hull make it neccessary to scrap it? I mean because of the hull alloy being compromised?

Depends on if the pressure hull its self was damaged. Russian boats are double hulled so if the pressure hull is ok perhaps the hydrodynamic hull could be replaced.

Bubblehead Nuke · 01-04-12, 12:25 AM

Depending on the heat of the fire, I would be worried about the heat effects on the pressure hull. Heat treatment is HUGE determination in the ductility of a metal. You heat it up and then rapidly quench it (like submerging it in water) the steel will become more harder & brittle.

Brittleness is a BAD thing to have in a pressure hull.

TLAM Strike · 01-04-12, 12:31 AM

Russian boats tend to be far more compartmentalized than US boats, so it makes we wonder if they could replaced part of the pressure hull on a Delta.

Gargamel · 01-04-12, 12:35 AM

I believe their hulls are titanium. I work with Ti every day at temps over 1000f, and it's amazingly resilient. Stainless steel falls apart within months in this environment, while Ti still looks new. I would doubt this lower heat would have much affect on it. That said, it is a high performance pressure hull.

But think of the crew stuck inside. Wonder how quickly the "Hot in here?" joke got old.

12-29-11, 04:25 PM	#3
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RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	The Russian navy has a nasty history with fire. __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

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12-30-11, 06:11 PM	#9
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,366 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Is the death count still zero with about 10 people injured? Glad they were able to get it under control. Delta IV. That brings back memories. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-04-12, 12:31 AM	#14
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Russian boats tend to be far more compartmentalized than US boats, so it makes we wonder if they could replaced part of the pressure hull on a Delta. __________________

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Maybe Russia doesn't have an OSHA...

01-03-12, 06:44 PM	#10
Bubblehead Nuke XO Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 435 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Wow.. the latest pictures tell the story. The front Subsim page has the artcicle. Here is the link: http://www.barentsobserver.com/subma...663-58932.html The blogger who posted the pictures said it was in the torpedo room. I have to disagree with him. It looks like there was a large hole cut in the forward outer hull into the wet space were the sonar arrray is housed. Now the news statement about needed a new hydrophone array makes sense. It also makes sense that they could partially submerge the hull. If the forward compartment was open and they flooded it, that boat would be razar blade fodder now. Talk about flooding...

01-03-12, 09:33 PM	#11
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Wouldn't a fire of this nature, inside the hull make it neccessary to scrap it? I mean because of the hull alloy being compromised?

01-04-12, 12:25 AM	#13
Bubblehead Nuke XO Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 435 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Depending on the heat of the fire, I would be worried about the heat effects on the pressure hull. Heat treatment is HUGE determination in the ductility of a metal. You heat it up and then rapidly quench it (like submerging it in water) the steel will become more harder & brittle. Brittleness is a BAD thing to have in a pressure hull.

01-04-12, 12:35 AM	#15
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	I believe their hulls are titanium. I work with Ti every day at temps over 1000f, and it's amazingly resilient. Stainless steel falls apart within months in this environment, while Ti still looks new. I would doubt this lower heat would have much affect on it. That said, it is a high performance pressure hull. But think of the crew stuck inside. Wonder how quickly the "Hot in here?" joke got old. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.