Germany: Angela Merkel 'loses key state election'

[Gerald]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats have lost the key state of Baden-Wuerttemberg after six decades, preliminary results show.

The results gave the Greens 24.2% and their Social Democrat allies 23.1%, with Mrs Merkel's party on 39% and its Free Democrat (FDP) allies on 5.3%.

Nuclear power, following the accident in Japan, was a key issue.

The vote in the wealthy south-western state was seen as a referendum on Mrs Merkel's rule.

The region, around Stuttgart, has a population of some 11 million and has been ruled by the Christian Democrats since 1953.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12876083

Note: 27 March 2011 Last updated at 21:01 GMT

[Penguin]

[Gerald]

Yes, she has grounds for a headache now, while it is too early to draw any conclusion concerning nuclear power and what happened in Japan,naively thinking away from them green

[Jimbuna]

Auf Wiedersehen everyone.

[Skybird]

MCAs: Japan has Fukujima 1-6, we have Merkel, Schäuble and Westerwelle. Japan has leaking radioactivity, we have leaking tax-billions. Japan has earthquakes haunting it, we have the Euro haunting us.

What do the people of Japan and Germany have in common? Both get lied to, lied to, lied to. Both will need to live with the costs for decades to come.

[Gerald]

But Germany could recover, as has been done before, if the politicians take their responsibility, which probably does not occur in the normal manner, just like many other countries

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

But Germany could recover, as has been done before, if the politicians take their responsibility, which probably does not occur in the normal manner, just like many other countries

You live in a different world than I do, if you mean this serious. Or you simply do not know the numbers and future trends affecting Germany. Also, there will be no new Marshal plan for Germany, payed by others.

By Berlin's Euro-polcies and willingness to pay for all others, they have traded the financial future of Germany away. And the markets already have started to realise that.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You live in a different world than I do, if you mean this serious. Or you simply do not know the numbers.

That I live and do things in a different world there is absolutely no doubt, but when you mention the word "numbers" you refer to money or other things? Otherwise, it may well be said that Germany and Sweden are very common and it can hardly be any news, I visit Germany quite frequently and I have positive elements of the country and it goes back many years,long before the wall collapse

[nikimcbee]

As much as I hate the 2 party system, atleast you know, who is who. Could somebody explain the difference between all of the German parties?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You live in a different world than I do, if you mean this serious. Or you simply do not know the numbers and future trends affecting Germany. Also, there will be no new Marshal plan for Germany, payed by others.

By Berlin's Euro-polcies and willingness to pay for all others, they have traded the financial future of Germany away. And the markets already have started to realise that.

If you could be permitted a "decent" political harmony in the country, which is not in my eyes really exist, so changes can come about,and Germany do not pay for everyone else, some countries, maybe, but Sweden are pumping a lot, just look at east side

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

That I live and do things in a different world there is absolutely no doubt, but when you mention the word "numbers" you refer to money or other things? Otherwise, it may well be said that Germany and Sweden are very common and it can hardly be any news, I visit Germany quite frequently and I have positive elements of the country and it goes back many years,long before the wall collapse

Age structure and demographic trend.

High vulnerability due to extreme dependency on exports.

High risks due to the Euro rescue.

Highly deficitary budgets.

high debts.

Budget deficits and debts growing due to bailing out other Euro-countries.

Self-imploding spiral of interest-service (="spiral of death"). In the long run, this is the most lethal aspect of all.

"Made in Germany" having lost relevance, others have closed the quality gap since long, even often surpassed us. Brain drain, technology transfer.

Suicidal feedback by exaggerated social system due to few and fewer young peopople having to come up for more and more old people (consider demographics mentioned above).

Fact is that first rasting agencies have started to consider to downgrade Germany's credibility. The markets start to realise that Germany allowed to get hopelessly overburdened with bailing out budget offenders now and in the future.

We accepted more responsibilities than even our economy could shoulder. But the distortions started much earlier, decades earlier: the culture od making debts, debts and more debts.The prediction for out future status already was critical before the economic global crisis and the Euro crisis broke out. The Euro - just gave us the rest.

Wait some years, you will see I am right. Markets alrerady have started slightly against Germany, since aroudn one year - they realised that we bit off more thna we cvould chew, that the Euro obligations we accepted will overwhelm us sooner or later, and also that there is prey to make.

Politicians, of course, do not tell you such things. Where Portugal, Japan (I mean the economy and fiances, not the disaster), Greece, the US and England already are today, we will be in future years not too far away.

You comared Germany to Sweden. You better don'T The Swedes have a relatively stable and solid currency, like the Swiss as well, and they have started to move away from their former super-socalistic community utopia as well. Also, the German bureaucracy is extremely unflexible and petrified. The superimposed EU bureaucracy do not especially help in this.

Sweden and Switzerland are in much better positions than Germany, for several reasons. And they would be stupid to join the Eurozone, or submit to Brussel's regime (Switzerland). They have little to gain and much to lose.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

As much as I hate the 2 party system, atleast you know, who is who. Could somebody explain the difference between all of the German parties?

hardest question on subsim ever! It would be easier to tell you how many rivets the Kriegsmarine used for their ships on full moon nights...
You can't compare it 1:1, as some issues are not really applicable, for example state's rights vs fed rights are a non-issue here, same with gun laws

I try:

CDU : ruling party, has the majority in the parliament and the state chamber (house of reps comparitable)
social free market economy, traditional, conservative, christian values, pro atomic energy (this was an important issue at this election) full of ****

FDP: coalition partner, liberal in the European sense, slightly comparable with the US Libertarian Party
free market, privatisation, corporate friendly, individual rights, pro atomic energy, full of ****

SPD: Social Democrats
social free market economy (a little more tendency towards social than the CDU), pro-union, comparable with the British Labour Party, anti atomic energy, full of ****

Grüne(Greens): main issue on environment, liberal in the US sense towards people's rights, comparible with the US greens, anti atomic energy, full of ****

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Age structure and demographic trend.

High vulnerability due to extreme dependency on exports.

High risks due to the Euro rescue.

Highly deficitary budgets.

high debts.

Budget deficits and debts growing due to bailing out other Euro-countries.

Self-imploding spiral of interest-service (="spiral of death"). In the long run, this is the most lethal aspect of all.

"Made in Germany" having lost relevance, others have closed the quality gap since long, even often surpassed us. Brain drain, technology transfer.

Suicidal feedback by exaggerated social system due to few and fewer young peopople having to come up for more and more old people (consider demographics mentioned above).

Fact is that first rasting agencies have started to consider to downgrade Germany's credibility. The markets start to realise that Germany allowed to get hopelessly overburdened with bailing out budget offenders now and in the future.

We accepted more responsibilities than even our economy could shoulder. But the distortions started much earlier, decades earlier: the culture od making debts, debts and more debts.The prediction for out future status already was critical before the economic global crisis and the Euro crisis broke out. The Euro - just gave us the rest.

Wait some years, you will see I am right. Markets alrerady have started slightly against Germany, since aroudn one year - they realised that we bit off more thna we cvould chew, that the Euro obligations we accepted will overwhelm us sooner or later, and also that there is prey to make.

Politicians, of course, do not tell you such things. Where Portugal, Japan (I mean the economy and fiances, not the disaster), Greece, the US and England already are today, we will be in future years not too far away.

You comared Germany to Sweden. You better don'T The Swedes have a relatively stable and solid currency, like the Swiss as well, and they have started to move away from their former super-socalistic community utopia as well. Also, the German bureaucracy is extremely unflexible and petrified. The superimposed EU bureaucracy do not especially help in this.

Sweden and Switzerland are in much better positions than Germany, for several reasons. And they would be stupid to join the Eurozone, or submit to Brussel's regime (Switzerland). They have little to gain and much to lose.

I agree with what you say, and a currency change to leave the SEK to the Euro, is not up to date and has not been so, perhaps a bit at the beginning of the "new" era of the euro, but now ice cold, and their removal from the (S) is no negative it either,my trips to Germany is of an entirely different character, so that I might like to be a shame is that some eateries in Köln serving cold food,

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Age structure and demographic trend.

High vulnerability due to extreme dependency on exports.

High risks due to the Euro rescue.

Highly deficitary budgets.

high debts.

Budget deficits and debts growing due to bailing out other Euro-countries.

Self-imploding spiral of interest-service (="spiral of death"). In the long run, this is the most lethal aspect of all.

"Made in Germany" having lost relevance, others have closed the quality gap since long, even often surpassed us. Brain drain, technology transfer.

Suicidal feedback by exaggerated social system due to few and fewer young peopople having to come up for more and more old people (consider demographics mentioned above).

Fact is that first rasting agencies have started to consider to downgrade Germany's credibility. The markets start to realise that Germany allowed to get hopelessly overburdened with bailing out budget offenders now and in the future.

We accepted more responsibilities than even our economy could shoulder. But the distortions started much earlier, decades earlier: the culture od making debts, debts and more debts.The prediction for out future status already was critical before the economic global crisis and the Euro crisis broke out. The Euro - just gave us the rest.

Wait some years, you will see I am right. Markets alrerady have started slightly against Germany, since aroudn one year - they realised that we bit off more thna we cvould chew, that the Euro obligations we accepted will overwhelm us sooner or later, and also that there is prey to make.

Politicians, of course, do not tell you such things. Where Portugal, Japan (I mean the economy and fiances, not the disaster), Greece, the US and England already are today, we will be in future years not too far away.

You comared Germany to Sweden. You better don'T The Swedes have a relatively stable and solid currency, like the Swiss as well, and they have started to move away from their former super-socalistic community utopia as well. Also, the German bureaucracy is extremely unflexible and petrified. The superimposed EU bureaucracy do not especially help in this.

Sweden and Switzerland are in much better positions than Germany, for several reasons. And they would be stupid to join the Eurozone, or submit to Brussel's regime (Switzerland). They have little to gain and much to lose.

Lol....stop feeding the you know what

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Lol....stop feeding the you know what

behave yourself now