ladder trajectory torpidoes

[UBOOT_fan]

I remember that those kind of torpedoes in SH3 and SH4, one could set them up to run in that pattern, after, of course the liniar usual running. There was some kind of setting in the torpedo box or something like that. How can I set them in SH5 ? There is no special feature in torpedo box and they seem not working, I mean after they are done with the liniar sprint...they stop instead of going in the ladder pattern. Can anyone give me a hint ?

[Takeda Shingen]

FaT run legs can indeed be set in SH5 through TWD's Multiple UI Mod.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166093

[UBOOT_fan]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

FaT run legs can indeed be set in SH5 through TWD's Multiple UI Mod.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166093

Ok, I understand that. Is this the only way ? Let's suppose I don't want to install any mod at all. Is there a way to have controll to the ladder pattern torpedo settings ? I imagine when they made the game and they introduced that torpedo they didn't expect to make it available if someone ...builds a mod for that ONLY, did they ? So, it must be a way, without a mod...I'd like to know which one is that, that's all. If , presuming, there is this torpedo in the game and there is no meaning to set it, than , by all means and standards, the developers are simply idiots. I'm just saying...
Thank you anyway

[TheDarkWraith]

I found no way in the stock game to set FaT/LuT torpedoes

[stoianm]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I found no way in the stock game to set FaT/LuT torpedoes

[UBOOT_fan]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I found no way in the stock game to set FaT/LuT torpedoes

Well that confirms (as if there was need to, one more time) that SH5 is a unfinished game and UBI just ripped us all off. UBI have some nerve bringing up a game on the market but forgetting to updating it COMPLETLY (addressing ALL problem discovered by players who bought the game) and simply choosing to "leave" after filling its pockets with suckers' money, aka US all.

[Takeda Shingen]

Some of us are friends with the devs here; I wouldn't call them idiots.

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Some of us are friends with the devs here; I wouldn't call them idiots.

Exactly. One must remember that the devs had a timeline to adhere to that was pushed down on them by the higher ups. Now I'm not saying that some of the problems weren't caused by them but when you have a deadline to meet you do the best you can with what you have. This is what I see happened to SH5 (plus a little over zealousy by the devs )

[stoianm]

I am also friend with few devs from sh5 and i can tell you for sure they are not idiots... at your job when you are doing what your boss ask not means you are an idiot

[oscar19681]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

Exactly. One must remember that the devs had a timeline to adhere to that was pushed down on them by the higher ups. Now I'm not saying that some of the problems weren't caused by them but when you have a deadline to meet you do the best you can with what you have. This is what I see happened to SH5 (plus a little over zealousy by the devs )

Lets not keep the UBI Nazi suits out of the crosshairs here. You wouldnt be friends with them to would ya? . No personally i Think the devs had the best intentions but the UBI suits just wanted that big ass cars and that fine house at the Bahamas and tons of cash to go allong with it to do nose candy at wallstreet stock exchange bathrooms and in limo,s like charley sheen did (and still does). But now they are running out of money not knowing if they finished the game and gave it the time osIT needed and the DEVS needed they would still be cashing in and could have released add-ons and ask good money for that to. I guess the days of Cars , Bahama,s and nose candy are over now for them.

[UBOOT_fan]

Well...when I called them idiots I gave a hypothesis when some people are called this way for a REASON. Other way put it, it would be like this: If I were in charged of that team and let's say the UBI suits rush me etc etc ....than , AT LEAST, I wouldn't put something in game that obviously is not able to work anyway (the case of ladder torpedoes). My word IDIOT reffers not to a constant "quality" of a person , but to an action one person , even inteligent, does at a given time. That is the meaning !... Of course , my remark doesn't mean they are all IDIOTS, who sees only that is taking it out of the given CONTEXT. I hope that did make sense.
And YES, I am keeping WHAT I said for a simple reason: IT'S TRUE!


PS - when someone is making something really stupid , it's not an argument to erase the stupidity of a person saying that "well , I know him, it's not like that". THAT is not an argument, that is proof you didn"t understand the...context . I also know a person personally (I spoke with him when they were ready to release SH4 in Bucharest) from the developer team but that is not an excuse for him to do IDIOT things sometimes , also.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by UBOOT_fan

Well...when I called them idiots I gave a hypothesis when some people are called this way for a REASON. Other way put it, it would be like this: If I were in charged of that team and let's say the UBI suits rush me etc etc ....than , AT LEAST, I wouldn't put something in game that obviously is not able to work anyway (the case of ladder torpedoes). My word IDIOT reffers not to a constant "quality" of a person , but to an action one person , even inteligent, does at a given time. That is the meaning !... Of course , my remark doesn't mean they are all IDIOTS, who sees only that is taking it out of the given CONTEXT. I hope that did make sense.
And YES, I am keeping WHAT I said for a simple reason: IT'S TRUE!


PS - when someone is making something really stupid , it's not an argument to erase the stupidity of a person saying that "well , I know him, it's not like that". THAT is not an argument, that is proof you didn"t understand the...context . I also know a person personally (I spoke with him when they were ready to release SH4 in Bucharest) from the developer team but that is not an excuse for him to do IDIOT things sometimes , also.

Well, I was trying to be nice about it, but since that does not seem to have registered, I will be more direct: SubSim.com has had a very friendly relationship with the development team since the days of Silent Hunter 2. There will be no tolerance for the disparagement of the members of the development team. You are free to dislike features of Silent Hunter 5. You are free to complain about them, even loudly if you like. However, you are not free to disparage individuals using pejoratives like 'idiots', 'morons', 'jackasses', et al. I do not care if you think it is true. I do not care if you think it is justified. This policy has been the forum's policy for many years, and will continue to be enforced.

I thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

The Management

EDIT: This is not a simple matter of friendship. SubSim.com is often times the first to get the information concerning releases and if frequently in the loop for insider information. This has been the case due in no small part due to our relationships. We are on very friendly terms with the UbiSoft dev teams. We are on very friendly terms with the Sonalysts dev teams. SubSim is a place where they are treated with respect, both in good times and tough times. They know SubSim as a 'port in the storm', if you will. They like us. And as they like us, they are more willing to cooperate with us. That cooperations helps you, me and everyone else that likes submarine simulations. We simply ask that you bear in mind that this relationship is symbiotic, and we will always look to preserve it. You can do your part in that preservation by respecting our rules.

[UBOOT_fan]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Well, I was trying to be nice about it, but since that does not seem to have registered, I will be more direct: SubSim.com has had a very friendly relationship with the development team since the days of Silent Hunter 2. There will be no tolerance for the disparagement of the members of the development team. You are free to dislike features of Silent Hunter 5. You are free to complain about them, even loudly if you like. However, you are not free to disparage individuals using pejoratives like 'idiots', 'morons', 'jackasses', et al. I do not care if you think it is true. I do not care if you think it is justified. This policy has been the forum's policy for many years, and will continue to be enforced.

I thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

The Management

EDIT: This is not a simple matter of friendship. SubSim.com is often times the first to get the information concerning releases and if frequently in the loop for insider information. This has been the case due in no small part due to our relationships. We are on very friendly terms with the UbiSoft dev teams. We are on very friendly terms with the Sonalysts dev teams. SubSim is a place where they are treated with respect, both in good times and tough times. They know SubSim as a 'port in the storm', if you will. They like us. And as they like us, they are more willing to cooperate with us. That cooperations helps you, me and everyone else that likes submarine simulations. We simply ask that you bear in mind that this relationship is symbiotic, and we will always look to preserve it. You can do your part in that preservation by respecting our rules.

I agree with you in terms of PRINCIPLES but developer team has finished the history of relationship with fans for now. They won't develop any other patch in the future whatsoever so argumenting "if we are nice to them we have an advantage" does not sustain itself as a logical argument or excuse for their coherency lack of their product. As I explained there is not an attack to a person or a group of persons , it's just aknowledging a FACT that is already REAL (the ladder torpedo uselessness in the game). In other words syntagm "idiot" is targeted to a FACT, an ACTION made by a person who obviously didn't think clear before doing something. I agree it is exagerated/intolerable to insult on a forum a developer team and that this thing is not tolerated. I agree with that. But I disagree taking this out of context of some subject and argumenting after that :"well even if they were idiots we are friends of them and this is why we have to look in the other way, when someone is making a argumented point".
I don't know you and I don't know what you know about making a game. I tell you this: the game project manager (lead) holds responsability even for this kind of mistakes. It's his job to stop them happening. Personally if I was the one responsable for this mistake I wouldn't mind seeing that post. of course , if it is justified and I am an HONEST kind of person.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm not trying to argue with you, UBOOT_fan. I have explained the forum policy. The rest is up to you.

The Management

[DelphiUniverse]

Patches are terminated, there is nothing new to this, its just finished. The game is "finished". The remaining bugs will not be fiixed. I have written down a list of 119 bugs I have discovered, including 3 crash instances, we just have to live with these bugs.