ultra realistic recognition manual?

commandosolo2009 · 05-26-11, 01:35 PM

Hey fellas,

It's just not fair.. We want (at least some people, apologies to point and shoot skippers) the game to be as realistic as can be, and yet, we have a recognition manual, full, with incorrect specs (at least no length) and a damaged stadimeter.

How about a less consultable recog man? I mean real boat skippers did not have the exact schematic (RA2 installation screen) prototype gallery of the enemy boats, yet they did a straw draw and argued with the XO and eventually, a similar ship, was selected from the looks of the actual target. If you're missing my meaning, refer to (Clear the Bridge! Richard O'kane) sinking the first ship.

I mean its not like ("Hey, it's a Taihosan or a Kabuki Maru or whatever" But rather should be like ("Hey, could be whatever or whatever or whatever....)

then a less clear, manual with not all ships in game included, should help trigger our imagination on actual sighting over periscope and available manual data.

Hell, we can even estimate tonnage based on lack of ships in the manual.

What do you guys think?

Daniel Prates · 05-26-11, 01:56 PM

It's fair. I think it is pretty sure that skippers where bumping into unknowh ship classes all the time, and that they would have to estimate more or less the mast heigh according to similar profiles.

Platapus · 05-26-11, 05:15 PM

you could always play without the recognition manual.

There is so much that is unrealistic about SH4 that a manual is down on my list.

Rockin Robbins · 05-26-11, 07:34 PM

Our recognition manual as the problem of knowing the exact numbers for every single ship on the ocean. Never mind that the exact numbers are wrong. Never mind that our stadimeter has binning problems. The real things were MUCH worse than what we have. The stadimeter was more inaccurate, the recognition manual didn't recognize the vast majority of targets.

The real thing also enjoyed advantages we don't have: peripheral vision, much better optical resolution, a crew that augmented the abilities of the skipper. No simulation at this time can come close to that.

It's amazing that SH4 has SOME of the flavor of the real thing. Methinks it's the best we're going to get for many years. Right now we're looking for a white knight and Ubi ain't it...

WernherVonTrapp · 05-26-11, 07:43 PM

I suppose one could say that Naval Intel really was just a feature of Human Anatomy.

TorpX · 05-26-11, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

There is so much that is unrealistic about SH4 that a manual is down on my list.

This is pretty much my view as well. There are lots of worse problems in the game.

Armistead · 05-26-11, 11:13 PM

Manual doesn't really matter, people would learn it all by head in no time, just due to the many same ship classes. To me tonnage sunk equals reality. I find the most realism in game is adjusting traffic, setting crew ratings across the board to vet and elite. I added many sub killer groups that travel the shipping lanes and ran some elite killer groups to travel ahead of TF and large convoys.

commandosolo2009 · 05-27-11, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

you could always play without the recognition manual.

There is so much that is unrealistic about SH4 that a manual is down on my list.

is that so? so how am I supposed to enter mast height?

Daniel Prates · 05-27-11, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by commandosolo2009

is that so? so how am I supposed to enter mast height?

Even that is incorrect in the game, check a recent thread by cptnscurvy.

magic452 · 05-27-11, 07:08 PM

Try Ship Center Accuracy Fix (SCAF) mod by cptnscurvy.
You use things other than the mast high to get range. It's a little bit more accurate and easier to use. Not all that realistic but fun and fun is why I play.

Magic

05-26-11, 01:35 PM	#1
commandosolo2009 Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Egypt Posts: 840 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	ultra realistic recognition manual? Hey fellas, It's just not fair.. We want (at least some people, apologies to point and shoot skippers) the game to be as realistic as can be, and yet, we have a recognition manual, full, with incorrect specs (at least no length) and a damaged stadimeter. How about a less consultable recog man? I mean real boat skippers did not have the exact schematic (RA2 installation screen) prototype gallery of the enemy boats, yet they did a straw draw and argued with the XO and eventually, a similar ship, was selected from the looks of the actual target. If you're missing my meaning, refer to (Clear the Bridge! Richard O'kane) sinking the first ship. I mean its not like ("Hey, it's a Taihosan or a Kabuki Maru or whatever" But rather should be like ("Hey, could be whatever or whatever or whatever....) then a less clear, manual with not all ships in game included, should help trigger our imagination on actual sighting over periscope and available manual data. Hell, we can even estimate tonnage based on lack of ships in the manual. What do you guys think? __________________ x.com/lexatnews

05-26-11, 05:15 PM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	you could always play without the recognition manual. There is so much that is unrealistic about SH4 that a manual is down on my list. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-26-11, 07:34 PM	#4
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Our recognition manual as the problem of knowing the exact numbers for every single ship on the ocean. Never mind that the exact numbers are wrong. Never mind that our stadimeter has binning problems. The real things were MUCH worse than what we have. The stadimeter was more inaccurate, the recognition manual didn't recognize the vast majority of targets. The real thing also enjoyed advantages we don't have: peripheral vision, much better optical resolution, a crew that augmented the abilities of the skipper. No simulation at this time can come close to that. It's amazing that SH4 has SOME of the flavor of the real thing. Methinks it's the best we're going to get for many years. Right now we're looking for a white knight and Ubi ain't it... __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

05-26-11, 07:43 PM	#5
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	I suppose one could say that Naval Intel really was just a feature of Human Anatomy. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

05-27-11, 07:08 PM	#10
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Try Ship Center Accuracy Fix (SCAF) mod by cptnscurvy. You use things other than the mast high to get range. It's a little bit more accurate and easier to use. Not all that realistic but fun and fun is why I play. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

05-26-11, 01:56 PM	#2
Daniel Prates Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Curitiba, Brazil Posts: 938 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	It's fair. I think it is pretty sure that skippers where bumping into unknowh ship classes all the time, and that they would have to estimate more or less the mast heigh according to similar profiles.

05-26-11, 11:13 PM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Manual doesn't really matter, people would learn it all by head in no time, just due to the many same ship classes. To me tonnage sunk equals reality. I find the most realism in game is adjusting traffic, setting crew ratings across the board to vet and elite. I added many sub killer groups that travel the shipping lanes and ran some elite killer groups to travel ahead of TF and large convoys.