Is the sim genre dead?

the_tyrant · 08-01-10, 10:36 AM

First of all, is silent hunter dead? Because it is one of the last hard core simulations around. If silent hunter is dead, than the simulation genre is pretty much dead. (HAWX and Battlestations pacific don't count. lock on is now the last sim standing)

Silent hunter is the last submarine simulator we have, so i'm thinking maybe we should start a supermod. Like the Openfalcon mod for falcon 4.0. Or else in the future we will have nothing left to play on our 32 core processors and our 9870*2s.

Arclight · 08-01-10, 10:41 AM

Bit too early to tell, but it seems likely Silent Hunter has seen it's last iteration.

Sims though, they are doing fine. It's a relatively small market, but steady. As long as there's demand, there will be sims.

SgtPotato · 08-01-10, 11:11 AM

Well, we have too many casual games and casual players...

I HATE CASUAL.

Takeda Shingen · 08-01-10, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

First of all, is silent hunter dead? Because it is one of the last hard core simulations around. If silent hunter is dead, than the simulation genre is pretty much dead. (HAWX and Battlestations pacific don't count. lock on is now the last sim standing)

Silent hunter is the last submarine simulator we have, so i'm thinking maybe we should start a supermod. Like the Openfalcon mod for falcon 4.0. Or else in the future we will have nothing left to play on our 32 core processors and our 9870*2s.

There will always be simulators, so no, the genre is not dead. Also, I would not classify the Silent Hunter series as hard-core study sims. They are more in the line of historical simulators with gaming elements. Not to say they aren't enjoyable, just not 'hard-core' without mods.

Navarre · 08-01-10, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtPotato

Well, we have too many casual games and casual players...

On average, the production costs per game today are 18-28 million U.S. dollars, top titles like CoD:MW are up to 40 million U.S. dollar. Therefore many publishers are considering whether to invest these sums in a genre that due to the smaller number of customers not nearly getting the invested dollars back.

Jimbuna · 08-01-10, 02:31 PM

I'm hoping the SH series isn't dead and hope Ubi and any other companies who may be considering investing in the genre realise there is a strong and vibrant community here who are thinking likewise.

Egan · 08-01-10, 02:34 PM

Silent Hunter might or might not be dead but I don't think sims are. What I think will happen more and more is that simulation titles will move to smaller, specialist developers and publishers who sell entirely on-line and charge higher prices than a standard triple A title would cost. Look at Steal Beasts for a good example. I expect far more of that type of business plan in the future. I think developers like Battlefront, Matrix and others will move in to fill the void left by the major labels and we will get some great sims out of all the changes. I am actually quite optimistic about the way things might go and I suspect we might see a new 'golden age' of hard core study sims somewhere along the line.

I think Oleg's 'Storm of War: Battle of Britain,' might be the last sim we see done the way it is currently. I have a real feeling that this is less the beginning of the end and more the end of the beginning. The likely higher prices is a trade off I'm willing to live with. beside, I only buy a title or two a year now and have no problem with spending the money on a sim I know I'm going to get years of play out of.

As for sub sims, well, I just don't know. I am willing, however, to get Aces of the Deep 2 into production. All I need is about a million bucks and 12 good men.....

THE_MASK · 08-01-10, 02:36 PM

It seems to me that SH5 could have been a huge market for the over 40 age bracket if it was properly finished and advertised . You would think that with the dwindling pc game market that pc component manufacturers would be pouring some money into this market to try to prop it up , maybe they are . There are absolutely no pc games in my local eb games i would buy , sick of shooters .

Drewcifer · 08-01-10, 03:13 PM

Silent Hunter, possibly, Sims? No. DCS Black Shark, A-10 anybody? Um Arma? Submarines might not be getting much love but Sims as a 'genre' while smaller then your standard Arcade market are doing just fine.
Just don't expect a DCS game to compete with Blizzard or EA, lol.

the_tyrant · 08-01-10, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Navarre

On average, the production costs per game today are 18-28 million U.S. dollars, top titles like CoD:MW are up to 40 million U.S. dollar. Therefore many publishers are considering whether to invest these sums in a genre that due to the smaller number of customers not nearly getting the invested dollars back.

I think(not sure) that simulations actually cost more. since compared to arcade games simulators require research and have to be accurate.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 08-01-10, 05:22 PM

With Oleg Maddox's Battle of Britain hopefully will be out I don't think sims are dead.

Badger Finn · 08-01-10, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Egan

As for sub sims, well, I just don't know. I am willing, however, to get Aces of the Deep 2 into production. All I need is about a million bucks and 12 good men.....

Would gladly pay 150+ $ ...

couple of cavets

its a finished product as orig AoD was at release

it actually tweaks and improves the original, if thats possible?

The physics - sim/game play in AoD *out of the box* were superb light years ahead of where sims appear to be today...

Time will tell on the DID for sim genre...

Schwieger · 08-01-10, 10:39 PM

ah, I think that Sims should combine with real time strategy...

elanaiba · 08-02-10, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Egan

As for sub sims, well, I just don't know. I am willing, however, to get Aces of the Deep 2 into production. All I need is about a million bucks and 12 good men.....

1 (good?) man here if you need me :P

PL_Andrev · 08-02-10, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

1 (good?) man here if you need me :P

Of course we need you...
Well...
When new patch for SH5?
When DC2 add-on?

08-01-10, 10:36 AM	#1
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Is the sim genre dead? First of all, is silent hunter dead? Because it is one of the last hard core simulations around. If silent hunter is dead, than the simulation genre is pretty much dead. (HAWX and Battlestations pacific don't count. lock on is now the last sim standing) Silent hunter is the last submarine simulator we have, so i'm thinking maybe we should start a supermod. Like the Openfalcon mod for falcon 4.0. Or else in the future we will have nothing left to play on our 32 core processors and our 9870*2s.

08-01-10, 10:41 AM	#2
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Bit too early to tell, but it seems likely Silent Hunter has seen it's last iteration. Sims though, they are doing fine. It's a relatively small market, but steady. As long as there's demand, there will be sims. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-01-10, 11:11 AM	#3
SgtPotato Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In your ocean, sinking your ships Posts: 721 Downloads: 96 Uploads: 0	Well, we have too many casual games and casual players... I HATE CASUAL. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

08-01-10, 02:31 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm hoping the SH series isn't dead and hope Ubi and any other companies who may be considering investing in the genre realise there is a strong and vibrant community here who are thinking likewise. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-01-10, 05:22 PM	#11
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	With Oleg Maddox's Battle of Britain hopefully will be out I don't think sims are dead. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

08-01-10, 02:34 PM	#7
Egan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Silent Hunter might or might not be dead but I don't think sims are. What I think will happen more and more is that simulation titles will move to smaller, specialist developers and publishers who sell entirely on-line and charge higher prices than a standard triple A title would cost. Look at Steal Beasts for a good example. I expect far more of that type of business plan in the future. I think developers like Battlefront, Matrix and others will move in to fill the void left by the major labels and we will get some great sims out of all the changes. I am actually quite optimistic about the way things might go and I suspect we might see a new 'golden age' of hard core study sims somewhere along the line. I think Oleg's 'Storm of War: Battle of Britain,' might be the last sim we see done the way it is currently. I have a real feeling that this is less the beginning of the end and more the end of the beginning. The likely higher prices is a trade off I'm willing to live with. beside, I only buy a title or two a year now and have no problem with spending the money on a sim I know I'm going to get years of play out of. As for sub sims, well, I just don't know. I am willing, however, to get Aces of the Deep 2 into production. All I need is about a million bucks and 12 good men.....

08-01-10, 02:36 PM	#8
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	It seems to me that SH5 could have been a huge market for the over 40 age bracket if it was properly finished and advertised . You would think that with the dwindling pc game market that pc component manufacturers would be pouring some money into this market to try to prop it up , maybe they are . There are absolutely no pc games in my local eb games i would buy , sick of shooters .

08-01-10, 03:13 PM	#9
Drewcifer Commodore Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 601 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Silent Hunter, possibly, Sims? No. DCS Black Shark, A-10 anybody? Um Arma? Submarines might not be getting much love but Sims as a 'genre' while smaller then your standard Arcade market are doing just fine. Just don't expect a DCS game to compete with Blizzard or EA, lol.

08-01-10, 10:39 PM	#13
Schwieger Commodore Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: U-142 Posts: 624 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	ah, I think that Sims should combine with real time strategy... __________________ Support U-Boot_HAHD: Install Dropbox Click Here & Increase The Teams Dropbox space and get 2.25GB of free online Storage space for yourself.