Is there a mod that tones down destroyer effectiveness

Akula · 04-10-10, 10:02 AM

I am using GWX 3 and was if there is a mod that can town down the destroyer effectivness a bit...

My periscope gets detected from myles away (that due to radar?)

I am in the middle of a convoy and en early war escort is giving me a terrible time by knowing exactly what I am doing and where I am..

I am not sure if I am just not borne to be a Uboat skipper but seriously.

So, is there a mod that is compatible with GWX3 that can town down destroyers visual and detection capabilities, and that of Merchants?

Thanks,
G

KL-alfman · 04-10-10, 12:40 PM

could it be that your tower was revealed due to heavy sea?
or what depth do you sail when attacking submerged?

you were silent running, I suppose?

comet61 · 04-10-10, 12:43 PM

First off....keep your periscope under the surface as much as possible. If you are going as fast as 1/3 or faster, they can spot a periscope wake from a good distance (they have good watchouts). Usually, if I am creeping up on a convoy, I go "silent running" mode and if I need to go up-periscope for a quick visual I try not to go faster than 3 knots. If the wind is 4m/s or less, it is easy for the enemy to spot your scope if you leave it up too long. Usually, if I need a firing solution calculation, I'll come to a full stop and put the scope just above the surface, get a rough AoB calc, then down scope. Wait....then repeat the process for AoB correction and distance. Calculating speed can be tricky if you have the map contacts off, but it can be done.

In rougher weather, I usually don't bother too much with calculations. If the wind is blowing at 8m/s or more, the top of your conning tower could get exposed in the swells...which makes you pretty visible. I just get as close as possible and fire all 4 tubes at 3-8° spread, set for impact then dive deep as possible. Sometimes the "spray and pray" method can yield some interesting results....

STEED · 04-11-10, 11:24 AM

Find the convoy, get in front of the convoy, dive, all stop, silent mode, wait. Your ears are your eyes and only take a peek now and again. Select a nice juicy one or two then give them a good hammering.

Jimbuna · 04-11-10, 12:53 PM

The most effective method I've ever found to tone down a destroyers effectiveness is to hit it with a G7e/T2 torpedo

On a serious note though, I'm not aware of anything other than trying an alternative supermod.

Without naming names I do believe some of the destroyers characteristics are not as sharp on one or two other alternatives.

Try them all and decide what suits you best.

STEED · 04-11-10, 01:51 PM

I seem to recall you could make the escourts less smart but it takes time to do it, that was 2 or more years ago.

I found one of my old threads it may help.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=113757

brett25 · 04-11-10, 04:51 PM

also your screws are a big factor in being detected- anything over 3 knots and they will hear you for sure. Remember they have hydrophones too! Try to keep your submerged speed to 2 knots, 3 knots if you must

however, if you still wish to edit the game files, you must edit the sim.cfg file located in CFG folder. Im not sure what settings, its pretty complicated.

h.sie · 04-11-10, 05:18 PM

Look into Sim.cfg, Section [Sonar] and play with "Enemy Surface Factor" (and perhaps also play with "Detection time"?).

GWX has Enemy Surface Factor = 100.

WAC and LSH have Enemy Surface Factor = 200.

I tried LSH months ago and the destroyers were weak, even in later years. Reducing Enemy Surface Factor to the GWX value made them better in detecting me.

h.sie

Jimbuna · 04-12-10, 06:36 AM

Please be advised that the settings in the GWX CFG were tweaked easily over 50 or more times during the development phase and were followed up by, in total, a few hundred hours of testing.

The slightest change can on occasion have a wild or detrimental effect on other sensor/ability factors....getting the fine balance correct is usually the hardest part.

Change the detail by all means but don't forget to backup your file before performing any alterations.

Good Luck

irish1958 · 04-12-10, 09:32 AM

I think the destroyer settings in GWX are far better than stock, SHIV and SHV.

Of course, when they get me, I feel they are too strong.

Drifter · 04-13-10, 08:49 AM

Gian, you might want to check out this older thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=121900

CB's AI enhancement mod (supposedly easier than GWX ai):

http://www.ebort2.co.uk/files/AIFight2.zip

Akula · 04-13-10, 11:18 AM

Thanks for all the hints, tips and help fellow captains...

I will first try different tactics...if I find myself failing as as a kaluen I might try modding or changing but first practice a bit with different tactics first as mentioned here.

Thanks again!

04-10-10, 10:02 AM	#1
Akula Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 137 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	Is there a mod that tones down destroyer effectiveness I am using GWX 3 and was if there is a mod that can town down the destroyer effectivness a bit... My periscope gets detected from myles away (that due to radar?) I am in the middle of a convoy and en early war escort is giving me a terrible time by knowing exactly what I am doing and where I am.. I am not sure if I am just not borne to be a Uboat skipper but seriously. So, is there a mod that is compatible with GWX3 that can town down destroyers visual and detection capabilities, and that of Merchants? Thanks, G

04-10-10, 12:40 PM	#2
KL-alfman Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Weimar Posts: 930 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	could it be that your tower was revealed due to heavy sea? or what depth do you sail when attacking submerged? you were silent running, I suppose? __________________ Life, Liberty and Property!

04-10-10, 12:43 PM	#3
comet61 Sparky Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 151 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Being sneaky First off....keep your periscope under the surface as much as possible. If you are going as fast as 1/3 or faster, they can spot a periscope wake from a good distance (they have good watchouts). Usually, if I am creeping up on a convoy, I go "silent running" mode and if I need to go up-periscope for a quick visual I try not to go faster than 3 knots. If the wind is 4m/s or less, it is easy for the enemy to spot your scope if you leave it up too long. Usually, if I need a firing solution calculation, I'll come to a full stop and put the scope just above the surface, get a rough AoB calc, then down scope. Wait....then repeat the process for AoB correction and distance. Calculating speed can be tricky if you have the map contacts off, but it can be done. In rougher weather, I usually don't bother too much with calculations. If the wind is blowing at 8m/s or more, the top of your conning tower could get exposed in the swells...which makes you pretty visible. I just get as close as possible and fire all 4 tubes at 3-8° spread, set for impact then dive deep as possible. Sometimes the "spray and pray" method can yield some interesting results....

04-11-10, 11:24 AM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Find the convoy, get in front of the convoy, dive, all stop, silent mode, wait. Your ears are your eyes and only take a peek now and again. Select a nice juicy one or two then give them a good hammering. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

04-11-10, 12:53 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The most effective method I've ever found to tone down a destroyers effectiveness is to hit it with a G7e/T2 torpedo On a serious note though, I'm not aware of anything other than trying an alternative supermod. Without naming names I do believe some of the destroyers characteristics are not as sharp on one or two other alternatives. Try them all and decide what suits you best. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-11-10, 01:51 PM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I seem to recall you could make the escourts less smart but it takes time to do it, that was 2 or more years ago. I found one of my old threads it may help. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=113757 __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 04-11-10 at 02:04 PM.

04-11-10, 04:51 PM	#7
brett25 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oakland CA, USA Posts: 737 Downloads: 570 Uploads: 0	also your screws are a big factor in being detected- anything over 3 knots and they will hear you for sure. Remember they have hydrophones too! Try to keep your submerged speed to 2 knots, 3 knots if you must however, if you still wish to edit the game files, you must edit the sim.cfg file located in CFG folder. Im not sure what settings, its pretty complicated. __________________ http://shmf.larsbundgaard.dk/index.p...1tn5&board=7.0 Last edited by brett25; 04-13-10 at 01:06 PM.

04-11-10, 05:18 PM	#8
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Look into Sim.cfg, Section [Sonar] and play with "Enemy Surface Factor" (and perhaps also play with "Detection time"?). GWX has Enemy Surface Factor = 100. WAC and LSH have Enemy Surface Factor = 200. I tried LSH months ago and the destroyers were weak, even in later years. Reducing Enemy Surface Factor to the GWX value made them better in detecting me. h.sie __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

04-12-10, 06:36 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Please be advised that the settings in the GWX CFG were tweaked easily over 50 or more times during the development phase and were followed up by, in total, a few hundred hours of testing. The slightest change can on occasion have a wild or detrimental effect on other sensor/ability factors....getting the fine balance correct is usually the hardest part. Change the detail by all means but don't forget to backup your file before performing any alterations. Good Luck __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-12-10, 09:32 AM	#10
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	I think the destroyer settings in GWX are far better than stock, SHIV and SHV. Of course, when they get me, I feel they are too strong. __________________ Irish1958

04-13-10, 08:49 AM	#11
Drifter Frogman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 308 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Gian, you might want to check out this older thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=121900 CB's AI enhancement mod (supposedly easier than GWX ai): http://www.ebort2.co.uk/files/AIFight2.zip __________________

04-13-10, 11:18 AM	#12
Akula Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 137 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	Thanks for all the hints, tips and help fellow captains... I will first try different tactics...if I find myself failing as as a kaluen I might try modding or changing but first practice a bit with different tactics first as mentioned here. Thanks again!