Dimensions in SH5?

urfisch · 02-12-10, 08:52 AM

On many screens, the dimensions are simply wrong, or look so. In the boat there is too much space...to all sides. And in the bunker, there seem to be midgets walking around. Or it the simple answer is, the crew models are to small...but when i look at the screen in the command room...i get to know, there has to be something gotten wrong or the perspective makes the whole thing strange.

And the diesels in the game are too small...

Any one got thoughts or news on that?

ReFaN · 02-12-10, 08:57 AM

Looks, quite frankly. Odd, now when you mention it.

St. Cobra · 02-12-10, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urfisch

On many screens, the dimensions are simply wrong, or look so. In the boat there is too much space...to all sides. And in the bunker, there seem to be midgets walking around. Or it the simple answer is, the crew models are to small...but when i look at the screen in the command room...i get to know, there has to be something gotten wrong or the perspective makes the whole thing strange.

And the diesels in the game are too small...

Any one got thoughts or news on that?

Thoughts? I think we need a special joke thread for posts like this

conus00 · 02-12-10, 09:04 AM

100% agree. I have personally visited U-505 (I know it's type IX not VII) in Chicago and you can't even walk through it without banging your head.

The SH5 makes the interior look like cathedral-size in comparison.

cardiff · 02-12-10, 09:06 AM

I think its a cammera trick they have used in free view which is also being used on the interior, look at the distance and size of far objects, to the size of near objects, there is false perspective rather than bad scale.

onelifecrisis · 02-12-10, 09:15 AM

Looks damn near perfect to me in both shots, and I know my geometry.

By the way, the average European male in the 1940's was 5'6. Looks to me like the men in the screenshots are that size too.

Darkbluesky · 02-12-10, 09:19 AM

Yes I agree with OLC and cardiff. Make the photo with a 15/17 mm (or less) objective (in full frame camera) and you will find more or less the same feeling that in SH5 shot.

One of the mods I would like to test, is to change the FOV of the FPS view, to make it narrower and less "angular-ish".

Remember that it was one of the choices made by the director of Das Boot (someone, somewhere explained that, I don't recall), in order to try to give a feeling of small space. He could have choosen angular lenses and give a feeling like the stock SH5 (according to what is given to us), but he didn't.

Schultz · 02-12-10, 09:19 AM

Looks ok to me, maybe the diesel a little

oscar19681 · 02-12-10, 09:19 AM

Whats next?

* shadows again?
* lighting effect?
* the upper left corner of the conning tower is 2 cm to small?

GoldenRivet · 02-12-10, 09:20 AM

my "thoughts"

its a game.

Im a realism buff and even if there was an entire meter of "error" it would appear that we still have more in SH5 than we have ever had in any subsim.

onelifecrisis · 02-12-10, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

Whats next?

* shadows again?
* lighting effect?
* the upper left corner of the conning tower is 2 cm to small?

No it's the GUI. Haven't you heard? It's the wrong shade of grey!
I **** you not.

piri_reis · 02-12-10, 09:21 AM

Me too, I think they look very much in the correct scale.
What you're doing can rival rivet counting, it's pixel counting.
The angle of the camera, FOV, resolution, aspect ratio, all these will effect the screenshot, I bet you they designed these models almost in the correct measurements, using a 3d program. Why the heck would they make a 1meter tall guy and 2 meter tall engine room ceiling...

piri_reis · 02-12-10, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar19681

Whats next?

* shadows again?

I love this one, the nail on the wall doesn't have shadows, wth!!!

urfisch · 02-12-10, 09:31 AM

its one thing, if there are shadows missing...which is quite a fail for a 2010 3d game. but its another if dimensions are modeled wrong...

the mapdesk is extremly too large...this looks simply crappy and is a fail too. look at the hand rails over the hatch...they are also not at the right place. i care about these details, especially if everybodys review is telling us "extremly nice detailed uboat interior".

beside this, its a pitty to have so few details in the interior. but, lets see, how easy the is to be modified.

onelifecrisis · 02-12-10, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urfisch

its one thing, if there are shadows missing...which is quite a fail for a 2010 3d game. but its another if dimensions are modeled wrong...

the mapdesk is extremly too large...this looks simply crappy and is a fail too. look at the hand rails over the hatch...they are also not at the right place. i care about these details, especially if everybodys review is telling us "extremly nice detailed uboat interior".

beside this, its a pitty to have so few details in the interior. but, lets see, how easy the is to be modified.

It's pretty easy. You change the field of view in cameras.dat. Problem solved.

02-12-10, 08:52 AM	#1
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	Dimensions in SH5? On many screens, the dimensions are simply wrong, or look so. In the boat there is too much space...to all sides. And in the bunker, there seem to be midgets walking around. Or it the simple answer is, the crew models are to small...but when i look at the screen in the command room...i get to know, there has to be something gotten wrong or the perspective makes the whole thing strange. And the diesels in the game are too small... Any one got thoughts or news on that? __________________ Last edited by urfisch; 02-12-10 at 09:27 AM.

02-12-10, 08:57 AM	#2
ReFaN Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 831 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	Looks, quite frankly. Odd, now when you mention it. __________________ Liverpool is my relegion, Anfield is my church. True believers never walk alone.

02-12-10, 09:04 AM	#4
conus00 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: DB85 Posts: 804 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	100% agree. I have personally visited U-505 (I know it's type IX not VII) in Chicago and you can't even walk through it without banging your head. The SH5 makes the interior look like cathedral-size in comparison. __________________

02-12-10, 09:15 AM	#6
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Looks damn near perfect to me in both shots, and I know my geometry. By the way, the average European male in the 1940's was 5'6. Looks to me like the men in the screenshots are that size too. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

02-12-10, 09:19 AM	#8
Schultz Officer Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bucharest - Romania Posts: 237 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Looks ok to me, maybe the diesel a little __________________ Old nickname: Infernos http://www.overheat.ro/

02-12-10, 09:06 AM	#5
cardiff Sailor man Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 48 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I think its a cammera trick they have used in free view which is also being used on the interior, look at the distance and size of far objects, to the size of near objects, there is false perspective rather than bad scale.

02-12-10, 09:19 AM	#7
Darkbluesky Sparky Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 155 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Yes I agree with OLC and cardiff. Make the photo with a 15/17 mm (or less) objective (in full frame camera) and you will find more or less the same feeling that in SH5 shot. One of the mods I would like to test, is to change the FOV of the FPS view, to make it narrower and less "angular-ish". Remember that it was one of the choices made by the director of Das Boot (someone, somewhere explained that, I don't recall), in order to try to give a feeling of small space. He could have choosen angular lenses and give a feeling like the stock SH5 (according to what is given to us), but he didn't.

02-12-10, 09:19 AM	#9
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Whats next? * shadows again? * lighting effect? * the upper left corner of the conning tower is 2 cm to small? __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

02-12-10, 09:20 AM	#10
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	my "thoughts" its a game. Im a realism buff and even if there was an entire meter of "error" it would appear that we still have more in SH5 than we have ever had in any subsim. __________________

02-12-10, 09:21 AM	#12
piri_reis Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 715 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Me too, I think they look very much in the correct scale. What you're doing can rival rivet counting, it's pixel counting. The angle of the camera, FOV, resolution, aspect ratio, all these will effect the screenshot, I bet you they designed these models almost in the correct measurements, using a 3d program. Why the heck would they make a 1meter tall guy and 2 meter tall engine room ceiling... __________________ Lt.z.S. Barbaros Hayreddin, U-35, 2nd Flot/Kiel, Type VIIB Oct.29.1939, 2nd Patrol Eastern English Waters Running SH5/TWOS

02-12-10, 09:31 AM	#14
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	its one thing, if there are shadows missing...which is quite a fail for a 2010 3d game. but its another if dimensions are modeled wrong... the mapdesk is extremly too large...this looks simply crappy and is a fail too. look at the hand rails over the hatch...they are also not at the right place. i care about these details, especially if everybodys review is telling us "extremly nice detailed uboat interior". beside this, its a pitty to have so few details in the interior. but, lets see, how easy the is to be modified. __________________