Now that the dust has settled....

TDK1044 · 01-29-10, 07:11 AM

So, as the dust settles on what has been a very busy few days, let's step back and look objectively at where we are.

Thankfully, the modding side of Silent Hunter 5 looks to be very exciting. I had thought that DRM would doom any modding of the game, but that apparantly is not the case. I hope Ubisoft has its technical act together on that issue.

The real issue, and the issue that inspired my 'Last Straw' post, remains though. That is the DRM. On a point of principle, I will not spend $50 on a game that I cannot play offline on my computer any time I choose to.

So, I guess the question becomes, will Ubisoft ever really consider offering a patch that allows Silent Hunter 5 to be played offline? I can't see why they would, having gone to all the trouble of setting up this nonsense in the first place.

So I guess that subsim and other similar forums are at a crossroads. Some of the members here will undoubtedly drift away, having decided not to buy the game. I'm sure we will be replaced by newbies though, who will scurry around the forum like excited new puppies.

If online DRM is the future, it's a future I want no part of. I'll watch with interest over the coming months though to see how all this plays out.

tonyj · 01-29-10, 07:19 AM

i'd imagine in a couple of years when they can't make anymore profit out of the game and no more addon's or DLC are in the pipeline a patch will be released to remove it which frees ubisoft's servers up from having to service all those users and that 24/7 connection!

onelifecrisis · 01-29-10, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

So, I guess the question becomes, will Ubisoft ever really consider offering a patch that allows Silent Hunter 5 to be played offline? I can't see why they would, having gone to all the trouble of setting up this nonsense in the first place.

Well, Ubisoft did remove all DRM from Prince of Persia because of problems they were having with the DRM back then. So it's not like there are no precedents here.

tonyj · 01-29-10, 07:21 AM

so the answer is we all phone them saying were having problems with it and they'll remove it! problem solved

TDK1044 · 01-29-10, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Well, Ubisoft did remove all DRM from Prince of Persia because of problems they were having with the DRM back then. So it's not like there are no precedents here.

That's good to hear.

Brag · 01-29-10, 07:59 AM

The core issue is OSP/DRM.
The fight against these systems started before we got invvolved. It is a fight bigger than us and we do make a difference. Ubi will lose sales. It may take them a while to realize we don't roll over like tame dogs.

Sinse the fight against DRM and the like is a matter of basic freedoms, the suits at Ubi will find themselves on the losing end.

01-29-10, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyj

so the answer is we all phone them saying were having problems with it and they'll remove it! problem solved

they will do like the politicians do and just stop answering the phones, then say "we havent heard of any problems" because if you dont answer the phone you're telling the truth

AVGWarhawk · 01-29-10, 04:45 PM

We are right where we started...either playing SH3 or SH4

Lanzfeld · 01-29-10, 04:55 PM

My Plan:

1. When it is released read all the reviews to see if it is even CLOSE to a real simulator.

2. IF it is a good sim, I will wait months until the price hits close to bottom.

3. I will buy it for cheap and store it away. DRM sux ballz you know.

4. When UBI drops DRM and releases a patch, BINGO! I play.

Letum · 01-29-10, 04:56 PM

I know it might be hard to believe, but Ubisoft arn't stupid and won't
have their heads in the sand.
No doubt they are taking a step back to look at the situation they have
inadvertently caused.

The force of feeling here is strong enough to guarantee a resolution.

All we must do is make some noise, keep in rank, keep our wallets
closed and who knows, things might be back to normal before release.

HundertzehnGustav · 01-29-10, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

My Plan:

1. When it is released read all the reviews to see if it is even CLOSE to a real simulator.

2. IF it is a good sim, I will wait months until the price hits close to bottom.

3. I will buy it for cheap and store it away. DRM sux ballz you know.

4. When UBI drops DRM and releases a patch, BINGO! I play.

meh too

Where did you meet your DRM? i could use some of that

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DRM sux ....

some time. would even pay for it if done the right way.

kptn_kaiserhof · 01-29-10, 05:16 PM

still this drm nonsence ehh ?????

but it might drum some sense into ubisoft

FIREWALL · 01-29-10, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

I know it might be hard to believe, but Ubisoft arn't stupid and won't
have their heads in the sand.
No doubt they are taking a step back to look at the situation they have
inadvertently caused.

The force of feeling here is strong enough to guarantee a resolution.

All we must do is make some noise, keep in rank, keep our wallets
closed and who knows, things might be back to normal before release.

Excellent post

Straight and to the point.

Brag · 01-29-10, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Excellent post

Straight and to the point.

Well said , Letum

gimpy117 · 01-29-10, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

The real issue, and the issue that inspired my 'Last Straw' post, remains though. That is the DRM. On a point of principle, I will not spend $50 on a game that I cannot play offline on my computer any time I choose to.

did it with rise of flight. not so bad really

01-29-10, 07:11 AM	#1
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Now that the dust has settled.... So, as the dust settles on what has been a very busy few days, let's step back and look objectively at where we are. Thankfully, the modding side of Silent Hunter 5 looks to be very exciting. I had thought that DRM would doom any modding of the game, but that apparantly is not the case. I hope Ubisoft has its technical act together on that issue. The real issue, and the issue that inspired my 'Last Straw' post, remains though. That is the DRM. On a point of principle, I will not spend $50 on a game that I cannot play offline on my computer any time I choose to. So, I guess the question becomes, will Ubisoft ever really consider offering a patch that allows Silent Hunter 5 to be played offline? I can't see why they would, having gone to all the trouble of setting up this nonsense in the first place. So I guess that subsim and other similar forums are at a crossroads. Some of the members here will undoubtedly drift away, having decided not to buy the game. I'm sure we will be replaced by newbies though, who will scurry around the forum like excited new puppies. If online DRM is the future, it's a future I want no part of. I'll watch with interest over the coming months though to see how all this plays out.

01-29-10, 07:59 AM	#6
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The core issue is OSP/DRM. The fight against these systems started before we got invvolved. It is a fight bigger than us and we do make a difference. Ubi will lose sales. It may take them a while to realize we don't roll over like tame dogs. Sinse the fight against DRM and the like is a matter of basic freedoms, the suits at Ubi will find themselves on the losing end. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-29-10, 04:45 PM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	We are right where we started...either playing SH3 or SH4 __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-29-10, 04:56 PM	#10
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I know it might be hard to believe, but Ubisoft arn't stupid and won't have their heads in the sand. No doubt they are taking a step back to look at the situation they have inadvertently caused. The force of feeling here is strong enough to guarantee a resolution. All we must do is make some noise, keep in rank, keep our wallets closed and who knows, things might be back to normal before release. __________________

01-29-10, 07:19 AM	#2
tonyj Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 115 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	i'd imagine in a couple of years when they can't make anymore profit out of the game and no more addon's or DLC are in the pipeline a patch will be released to remove it which frees ubisoft's servers up from having to service all those users and that 24/7 connection!

01-29-10, 07:21 AM	#4
tonyj Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 115 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	so the answer is we all phone them saying were having problems with it and they'll remove it! problem solved

01-29-10, 04:55 PM	#9
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	My Plan: 1. When it is released read all the reviews to see if it is even CLOSE to a real simulator. 2. IF it is a good sim, I will wait months until the price hits close to bottom. 3. I will buy it for cheap and store it away. DRM sux ballz you know. 4. When UBI drops DRM and releases a patch, BINGO! I play.

01-29-10, 05:16 PM	#12
kptn_kaiserhof XO Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 418 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	still this drm nonsence ehh ????? but it might drum some sense into ubisoft