HMS Astute not that Uber-Boat after all?

Skybird · 11-21-12, 07:17 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/no...ow-leaky-rusty

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/no...marines-doomed

AVGWarhawk · 11-21-12, 09:19 AM

Quote:

"V8 engine with a Morris Minor gearbox".

Wonder if parts are coming from China?

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 09:54 AM

If accurate then it is quite worrying

AVGWarhawk · 11-21-12, 09:57 AM

Yes it is worrying. In today's age of submarine construction one would think these issues were something of the past.

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 10:02 AM

I hope all the faults are ironed out in the following builds.

Mind you, there are those who reckon Astute is an unlucky ship and thus far they appear to be right.

AVGWarhawk · 11-21-12, 10:04 AM

Why is the Astute considered a marked ship?

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 10:12 AM

Ran aground in Scotland very early days:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-11605365

An officer was murdered onboard:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14971198

AVGWarhawk · 11-21-12, 10:16 AM

Oh yes, I remember reading this in the news. It would seem she is a marked ship. The list seems to be growing with recent events.

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Oh yes, I remember reading this in the news. It would seem she is a marked ship. The list seems to be growing with recent events.

We'll probably end up selling her to Canada

TarJak · 11-22-12, 06:25 AM

You could always trade her in on one of our Collins class disasters.

Karle94 · 11-22-12, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Ran aground in Scotland very early days:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-11605365

An officer was murdered onboard:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14971198

Collided with a French sub etc...

Oberon · 11-22-12, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Karle94

Collided with a French sub etc...

Nah, that was one of our missile boats. HMS Vanguard.

Astute has had lots of problems with her though, and if I were in the Andy I'd come to the same conclusion that she's a marked boat. A shame really, a friend of mine has a son on board her, although IIRC when I spoke to her last, she said she'd heard from him, she was expecting him to be at sea but Astute was back at dock because "they'd broken the boat" so, there is that.

Hopefully Ambush will be a bit more fortunate. I guess the whole debacle with the designing and construction of Astute didn't help her much. In theory though, the Astute class is quite capable, and once the initial problems are ironed out I'm sure they'll do sterling service.

Jimbuna · 11-22-12, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

You could always trade her in on one of our Collins class disasters.

LOL...two peas in the same pod

Skybird · 11-22-12, 07:53 AM

I don'T give a penny for "marked" boats, that is superstition, imo. What lies at the base of probloems is not accidents and mishaps, but design issues and choice of materials and components. For example the reactor model chosen - that has nothing to do with a boat being "marked". It is to be expcetd that for example HMS ambush also will suffer from maximum speed restrictions - it uses the same reactor model. And ill_chosen components in one boat that corrode early on, willk corrode early on in another boat as well if they get attached to the boat in the same spot, under same conditions.

The issues are not fate or mishaps or unlucky events, but some design flaws, it seems to me.

Jimbuna · 11-22-12, 08:40 AM

You may be right but sailors have always been a superstitious breed.

11-21-12, 07:17 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	HMS Astute not that Uber-Boat after all? http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/no...ow-leaky-rusty http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/no...marines-doomed __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-21-12, 09:54 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	If accurate then it is quite worrying __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-21-12, 10:02 AM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I hope all the faults are ironed out in the following builds. Mind you, there are those who reckon Astute is an unlucky ship and thus far they appear to be right. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-21-12, 10:12 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Ran aground in Scotland very early days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-11605365 An officer was murdered onboard: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14971198 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-22-12, 06:25 AM	#10
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	You could always trade her in on one of our Collins class disasters. Last edited by TarJak; 11-22-12 at 06:35 AM.

11-21-12, 09:57 AM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes it is worrying. In today's age of submarine construction one would think these issues were something of the past.

11-21-12, 10:04 AM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Why is the Astute considered a marked ship?

11-21-12, 10:16 AM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Oh yes, I remember reading this in the news. It would seem she is a marked ship. The list seems to be growing with recent events.

11-22-12, 07:53 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I don'T give a penny for "marked" boats, that is superstition, imo. What lies at the base of probloems is not accidents and mishaps, but design issues and choice of materials and components. For example the reactor model chosen - that has nothing to do with a boat being "marked". It is to be expcetd that for example HMS ambush also will suffer from maximum speed restrictions - it uses the same reactor model. And ill_chosen components in one boat that corrode early on, willk corrode early on in another boat as well if they get attached to the boat in the same spot, under same conditions. The issues are not fate or mishaps or unlucky events, but some design flaws, it seems to me. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-22-12, 08:40 AM	#15
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You may be right but sailors have always been a superstitious breed. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!