GWX is a yawner.

HMCS · 11-27-09, 11:14 PM

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

I just returned from a patrol in March of 41; it rained the whole time; one whole month of rain with several days of fog for a treat. Nothing to shoot at. Realism 97%. The incessant radio messages that had nothing to do with my boat or patrol only serves to exercise my right index finger which has to keep punching the + key on the number pad to keep the TC going.

I'm going back to the Pacific.

GoldenRivet · 11-27-09, 11:22 PM

So long.

I dont suppose you would perhaps play 3 or 4 more patrols?

and give it a chance?

you could always install the "radio lite mod" and "weather fix" patches for GWX3 you know.

or better yet just go drink your milk in the Pacific

here... the "realism" crowd enjoys the bitter taste of whiskey.

Thats the primary difference between SH3 and SH4

Sh3 is a simulation of real life gains, losses and frustrations

SH4... well... its a game.

JScones · 11-27-09, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and give it a chance?

What's to give a chance? That's just how it is. If the OP wants ships-a'plenty, then maybe he should go back to stock SH3?

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you could always install the "radio lite mod"...

WB's "Mission Orders Lite" for GWX3 is, IMHO, a godsend.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and "weather fix" patches for GWX3 you know.

Where's this?

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

here... the "realism" crowd enjoys the bitter taste of whiskey.

Enjoying a wee dram (well, actually, not so wee) as I write.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

SH4... well... its a game.

Hmmm...why do I suddenly feel like jimbuna?

GoldenRivet · 11-28-09, 12:08 AM

hahaha

I am not sure where the weather fix mod is... all i know is that it was highly recommended when GWX3 was released.

Onkel Neal · 11-28-09, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HMCS

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

I just returned from a patrol in March of 41; it rained the whole time; one whole month of rain with several days of fog for a treat. Nothing to shoot at. Realism 97%. The incessant radio messages that had nothing to do with my boat or patrol only serves to exercise my right index finger which has to keep punching the + key on the number pad to keep the TC going.

I'm going back to the Pacific.

Have fun in the Pacific. Sorry you didn't find GWX to your liking.

Commander Gizmo · 11-28-09, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

hahaha

I am not sure where the weather fix mod is... all i know is that it was highly recommended when GWX3 was released.

If you have it on hand in your install, would you care to share?

Sailor Steve · 11-28-09, 01:22 AM

This may be what you're looking for:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=631

But I think a version of this is actually in GWX. The problem is part of stock SH3 as well.

On the other hand, maybe this will be more to your liking:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=424

On the other other hand I play SH4 UBM with Operation Monsun, as well as GWX, and love both for completely different reasons.

I don't think of GWX as a yawner at all. I guess I'm just not so easily bored.

JScones · 11-28-09, 01:29 AM

I saw those, but noticed they both only mentioned compatibility with GWX2.0, so was reluctant to use them with GWX3, despite the fact that I hold both Stiebler and Rubini in extremely high regard.

HMCS · 11-28-09, 03:30 AM

I'm playing RFB in SH4- so I'm with the realism angle. I'm also familiar with being at sea. It NEVER rains for a month, solid. If that's SH3's issue, then so be it.

So what is recommended is GWX heavily modified....less radio messages, weather modded, etc. etc.

SH4 with RFB isn't exactly arcade shoot-em-up, and it has it's fair share of frustrations. I just happen to think that it's a better crafted sim.

Damo · 11-28-09, 04:56 AM

At the end of the day, GWX wasn't designed to please everyone, it was made with great attention to detail and historical fact and went waaaaay beyond what stock SH3 had to offer. They did this free, for us, and asked nothing in return and I for one am thankful.

Now, there are two sides to gaming, the simulation side where things need to be as close to reality as possible, and there is pure gaming, where the action is fast and plentiful for a 'quick fix'. GWX is certainly not the latter, and yes you will spend a long time travelling around without seeing anything, as did the real Kaleuns, that's realism....

As far as the messages go, there are mods to fix them and the weather? Well until Ubi release the SDK there's nothing every modder on the planet can do. From your post, I'd guess you probably ramped up the TC quite a bit and if you'd have taken your time and looked, you'd have read that high TC can cause the weather to 'stick', so it's most probably your fault that you had such a bad experience. Try using no more than 128x and you should see the weather change.

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent and should be deleted because you've obviously not given the mod anywhere near a fair chance and you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod. Luckily for you, this community is very open to people's opinions and rarely lower themselves to derrogatory behaviour, but unless you've got A.D.D. I'd suggest you keep your opinions to yourself until you have given GWX a fair chance and you've looked around the forums for some answers to your issues, because it's certain that someone has posted about every one of them.

Just look at my sig, I run ALL those mods alongside GWX and then some, there are more that wouldn't fit on the sig!! Everybody will need to flavor their game to taste, you are no different so get out there and do some reading.

Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'.

Lt.Fillipidis · 11-28-09, 06:09 AM

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Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'.

Although i wont stop playing GWX, i'll stick to the "extremelly realistic game".
I dont wanna scream "ALAAAAAAAAARM" every time i see a ship.
Especially while living in a city with a huge port...

Pisces · 11-28-09, 06:28 AM

First, whether you find anything depends on where you are looking. As in, what patrol location, in the middle of the atlantic, or nearer to land? Did you ever submerge to listen with your hydrophone in such bad weather? Did you look on the map often enough for 'silent' contact reports that appear. Convoys come with radio messages, but single units don't. Intercept them also! Did you keep your crew (including officer) on watch?

And maximum TC values might even have caused your lonely days. High TC values increases the distance a unit moved before a 'vicinity' check is done. In a matter of speaking, it might have 'jumped over' your 3d -bubble, instead of inside of it.

As for the weather, afaik the weather fix was allready built-into GWX 3. (even 2.x) The limitation of the fix however was when the player saved and reloaded his games frequently. A certain number of days (which I can't remember unfortunately) must pass before the 'change weather' timer kicks in. If saved too soon the timer gets reset at the next reload. That's a SH3 bug, not GWX's fault.

And yeah, GWX is about as much realism as is possible. Boredom was the most performed past-time during the real thing aswel.

Oh yeah, in the end it ALLWAYS depends on what you did with the campaign file mods. I.E enabling the Black Sea mod or Indian Ocean mod has no point if you are only sailing around in the atlantic. If you did enable either of them (even if enabled after enabling the merged campaign mod) then the Atlantic is simply devoid of any traffic. Only enable the area where you are playing (atlantic is default ofcourse) or just enable the merged campaign if you started a patrol to transit to the other area. Not all of them at the same time.

irish1958 · 11-28-09, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

I saw those, but noticed they both only mentioned compatibility with GWX2.0, so was reluctant to use them with GWX3, despite the fact that I hold both Stiebler and Rubini in extremely high regard.

MMMMMM, I recently heard of a little program that allows one to install a mod without harm to one's setup, and to uninstall it if necessary; amazingly, it returns one's install back to pristine conditions. You can get it here: http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/software/

GoldenRivet · 11-28-09, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent

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you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod.

Couldnt agree more.

He came into this forum and made a post... not asking for help... not seeking information as to why he had this experience with a mod... not to make a helpful or thought provoking comment.

Only to bash a damn good mod for no apparent reason other than he was mad because he didnt have a 100,000 ton patrol

.

The weather in SH3 has sucked since release date, its a stock issue, not an issue with any mod least of all GWX and several people have tried to fix it, some more successfully than others.

with the weather fix that (may or may not have been a part of GWX i cannot recall) i have experienced a good mix of weather during patrols.

but basically what HMCS has done has come over to the SH3 forum, stuck his head in the door, and said "you suck"

that wouldnt be polite anywhere

Venatore · 11-28-09, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HMCS

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

Reminds me of this thread

11-27-09, 11:14 PM	#1
HMCS Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Squaresville, daddy-O. Posts: 394 Downloads: 186 Uploads: 0	GWX is a yawner. Boring, boring dull dull dull. I just returned from a patrol in March of 41; it rained the whole time; one whole month of rain with several days of fog for a treat. Nothing to shoot at. Realism 97%. The incessant radio messages that had nothing to do with my boat or patrol only serves to exercise my right index finger which has to keep punching the + key on the number pad to keep the TC going. I'm going back to the Pacific. __________________ "Turning enemy ships into marine habitat since 1986!" Mods Loaded:TMO 2.2, RSRDC, MaxOptics, Strategic Map Symbols, Stop The Shouting OR: RFB, RSRDC, Maxoptics, SCAF, Strategic Map Symbols and the sanity-saving "stop the shouting".

11-27-09, 11:22 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	So long. I dont suppose you would perhaps play 3 or 4 more patrols? and give it a chance? you could always install the "radio lite mod" and "weather fix" patches for GWX3 you know. or better yet just go drink your milk in the Pacific here... the "realism" crowd enjoys the bitter taste of whiskey. Thats the primary difference between SH3 and SH4 Sh3 is a simulation of real life gains, losses and frustrations SH4... well... its a game. __________________

11-28-09, 12:08 AM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	hahaha I am not sure where the weather fix mod is... all i know is that it was highly recommended when GWX3 was released. __________________

11-28-09, 01:22 AM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	This may be what you're looking for: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=631 But I think a version of this is actually in GWX. The problem is part of stock SH3 as well. On the other hand, maybe this will be more to your liking: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=424 On the other other hand I play SH4 UBM with Operation Monsun, as well as GWX, and love both for completely different reasons. I don't think of GWX as a yawner at all. I guess I'm just not so easily bored. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-28-09, 03:30 AM	#9
HMCS Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Squaresville, daddy-O. Posts: 394 Downloads: 186 Uploads: 0	I'm playing RFB in SH4- so I'm with the realism angle. I'm also familiar with being at sea. It NEVER rains for a month, solid. If that's SH3's issue, then so be it. So what is recommended is GWX heavily modified....less radio messages, weather modded, etc. etc. SH4 with RFB isn't exactly arcade shoot-em-up, and it has it's fair share of frustrations. I just happen to think that it's a better crafted sim. __________________ "Turning enemy ships into marine habitat since 1986!" Mods Loaded:TMO 2.2, RSRDC, MaxOptics, Strategic Map Symbols, Stop The Shouting OR: RFB, RSRDC, Maxoptics, SCAF, Strategic Map Symbols and the sanity-saving "stop the shouting".

11-28-09, 01:29 AM	#8
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I saw those, but noticed they both only mentioned compatibility with GWX2.0, so was reluctant to use them with GWX3, despite the fact that I hold both Stiebler and Rubini in extremely high regard.

11-28-09, 04:56 AM	#10
Damo Captain Join Date: May 2009 Location: Forever stuck in Data folder... Posts: 482 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	At the end of the day, GWX wasn't designed to please everyone, it was made with great attention to detail and historical fact and went waaaaay beyond what stock SH3 had to offer. They did this free, for us, and asked nothing in return and I for one am thankful. Now, there are two sides to gaming, the simulation side where things need to be as close to reality as possible, and there is pure gaming, where the action is fast and plentiful for a 'quick fix'. GWX is certainly not the latter, and yes you will spend a long time travelling around without seeing anything, as did the real Kaleuns, that's realism.... As far as the messages go, there are mods to fix them and the weather? Well until Ubi release the SDK there's nothing every modder on the planet can do. From your post, I'd guess you probably ramped up the TC quite a bit and if you'd have taken your time and looked, you'd have read that high TC can cause the weather to 'stick', so it's most probably your fault that you had such a bad experience. Try using no more than 128x and you should see the weather change. Frankly, I find your post abhorrent and should be deleted because you've obviously not given the mod anywhere near a fair chance and you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod. Luckily for you, this community is very open to people's opinions and rarely lower themselves to derrogatory behaviour, but unless you've got A.D.D. I'd suggest you keep your opinions to yourself until you have given GWX a fair chance and you've looked around the forums for some answers to your issues, because it's certain that someone has posted about every one of them. Just look at my sig, I run ALL those mods alongside GWX and then some, there are more that wouldn't fit on the sig!! Everybody will need to flavor their game to taste, you are no different so get out there and do some reading. Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'. __________________ The owl and the pussycat went to sea in a beautiful pea-green boat. It only took one T1 eel to convince that boat not to float.

11-28-09, 06:28 AM	#12
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	First, whether you find anything depends on where you are looking. As in, what patrol location, in the middle of the atlantic, or nearer to land? Did you ever submerge to listen with your hydrophone in such bad weather? Did you look on the map often enough for 'silent' contact reports that appear. Convoys come with radio messages, but single units don't. Intercept them also! Did you keep your crew (including officer) on watch? And maximum TC values might even have caused your lonely days. High TC values increases the distance a unit moved before a 'vicinity' check is done. In a matter of speaking, it might have 'jumped over' your 3d -bubble, instead of inside of it. As for the weather, afaik the weather fix was allready built-into GWX 3. (even 2.x) The limitation of the fix however was when the player saved and reloaded his games frequently. A certain number of days (which I can't remember unfortunately) must pass before the 'change weather' timer kicks in. If saved too soon the timer gets reset at the next reload. That's a SH3 bug, not GWX's fault. And yeah, GWX is about as much realism as is possible. Boredom was the most performed past-time during the real thing aswel. Oh yeah, in the end it ALLWAYS depends on what you did with the campaign file mods. I.E enabling the Black Sea mod or Indian Ocean mod has no point if you are only sailing around in the atlantic. If you did enable either of them (even if enabled after enabling the merged campaign mod) then the Atlantic is simply devoid of any traffic. Only enable the area where you are playing (atlantic is default ofcourse) or just enable the merged campaign if you started a patrol to transit to the other area. Not all of them at the same time. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads Last edited by Pisces; 11-28-09 at 06:38 AM.