Large circle on the chart

19Herr_Rapp86 · 04-16-13, 07:33 PM

I got a radio message about a large convoy heading ESE, but this is new. Instead of the large square appearing on the map for convoy it's a large circle. What does this mean?

GoldenRivet · 04-16-13, 08:03 PM

In every SH3 convoy there is a "lead ship" - it will not necessarily be the ship out in front... when a circle appears it means a submarine is the lead ship in the convoy, so you will want to be on the look out for one of two things.

1. an enemy submarine within the convoy on the surface serving as an escort.

2. Other friendly U-boats attacking the convoy.

* if it is #2 you will likely arrive after the fight is over, be on the lookout for damaged freighters

19Herr_Rapp86 · 04-16-13, 08:18 PM

Thank you very much. I had never seen that before

GoldenRivet · 04-16-13, 08:54 PM

any time

Raptor · 04-17-13, 12:02 AM

Both the convoy symbol's shape and color are dependent upon the designated lead ship. As stated, if it's a sub, the convoy symbol is a circle. If it's a neutral vessel, the convoy symbol is green.

You are far more apt to see the latter than the former. Most convoy symbols will be red squares (lead ship is an enemy-flagged merchant). Most convoys before Dec 07, 1941 will contain both enemy (red) and neutral (green) vessels.

On very rare occasions, you'll encounter a small, totally neutral, convoy led by a single escort. These are usually found coming out of the Straits of Gibraltar into the Atlantic.

RustySubmarine · 04-17-13, 05:34 AM

On my present patrol of one of the two careers I have going, (January 1941) just south west of Iceland. I came up a Blue Circle convoy. There were three Flower Class Corvettes on escort, one leading and two at the rear. The Convoy consisted of about twenty enemy ships and a neutral. I didn't see any submarines, at all. I managed to sink a small merchant on the outside column, nearest to me, from about 3000 yards, but I think it was a lucky shot, because I was a bit far away. I just fired one kipper for the centre of the convoy just to see if I could score a hit. Luck was on my side, then I had to submerge to avoid one of the escorts, who was heading my way. Finally I shook them off and continued on my previous set course towards the Irish Sea. The ship I sunk was added to my Captains log as a small coastal freighter of 2450 tons.

raymond6751 · 04-17-13, 06:02 AM

I consider myself well-read on WW2 naval history. I have never come across an account of any convoy escorted by a submarine. In particular a submerged sub would not have the speed to keep up with any convoy.

This can only be a concept invented in a mod. What mod(s) are you working with. Again, the suggestion was just that, since you didn't detect any sub.

I think the circle/square does have to do with lead ship, but wonder about the idea of sub(s). Just my thoughts on the matter.

Captain Nemo · 04-17-13, 08:07 AM

Convoy HX11 is an example of a convoy escorted by submarines. In this case it was two French subs. See http://www.warsailors.com/convoys/hx11.html .

Nemo

GoldenRivet · 04-17-13, 08:58 AM

And these subs usually screened for the convoy... running submerged many miles out ahead of the convoy listening for submerged contacts.

as the convoy would catch up they could surface and reposition the sub before submerging again for some time.

As for the red green and blue convoy markers... mine are all dark grey, the only way to ensure the neutral status or enemy/friendly status of a contact is to sail up and check her flag just as in reality

Raptor · 04-17-13, 09:31 AM

There is a mod that removes all colors and the directional tails from the ship and convoy symbols on your map.

Only your U-boat shows up in color. Everything else is grey. You have to visually sort out friend from foe - just like the real Kaleuns had to do. God forbid you should sink a Brazilian neutral and start a war.

MantiBrutalis · 04-17-13, 12:00 PM

Logically speaking, submarines escorting or being part of a merchant convoy does not make that much sense. I just can't think of a reason why they should be used as such, they are much more useful in other ways...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

Convoy HX11 is an example of a convoy escorted by submarines. In this case it was two French subs.
Nemo

I can't really recall a war in which the French did very well...

I got black map markers too, although it would be nice having contact reports colored from time to time. I mean the BdU should know the status of a vessel they are contacting me about...

sharkbit · 04-17-13, 07:46 PM

GWX removes the colors and tails of ships/convoys. There is a mod that places them back if you so desire to run GWX and keep the colors.

MantiBrutalis · 04-18-13, 03:02 AM

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact you have to check the flag (or even stalk the ship though the night if the weather doesn't do your bidding).

But sometimes... Sometimes contact reports could come colored...

sharkbit · 04-18-13, 12:45 PM

It definitely makes you be sure of your target before you press the button to release an eel.
I....er, I mean I heard of someone almost torpedoing a German ore carrier of the coast of Norway in April of 1940.

"Almost" being the key word.
Nope...nope...it wasn't me. Nope. You can't prove it.

GoldenRivet · 04-18-13, 01:15 PM

One of my first GWX careers many moons ago... I was cruising on the surface in BF24 about 40 km off the Isles of Scilly on a dark overcast night when I encountered two slow moving tribal class destroyers headed on an easterly course.

I moved into attack position and fired one shot at each destroyer from periscope depth at about 2.5-3 km range.

Both shots hit well astern as I my speed calculation was in error a bit.

Both destroyers sat very low in the water dead still as I closed the range to about 800 meters to finish the kills.

I raised the scope abd lined up on the lead ship... It was then that I realized these were both type 34 destroyers sailing under the kriegsmarine flag!

I immediately thought "damn what are they doing putting along right in Tommie's front yard?!"

Fortunately neither ship sank, so the game never dinged me for it... But that's when I learned right fast... Check those flags

04-16-13, 07:33 PM	#1
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	Large circle on the chart I got a radio message about a large convoy heading ESE, but this is new. Instead of the large square appearing on the map for convoy it's a large circle. What does this mean? __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

04-16-13, 08:18 PM	#3
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	Thank you very much. I had never seen that before __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

04-16-13, 08:54 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	any time __________________

04-17-13, 12:02 AM	#5
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Both the convoy symbol's shape and color are dependent upon the designated lead ship. As stated, if it's a sub, the convoy symbol is a circle. If it's a neutral vessel, the convoy symbol is green. You are far more apt to see the latter than the former. Most convoy symbols will be red squares (lead ship is an enemy-flagged merchant). Most convoys before Dec 07, 1941 will contain both enemy (red) and neutral (green) vessels. On very rare occasions, you'll encounter a small, totally neutral, convoy led by a single escort. These are usually found coming out of the Straits of Gibraltar into the Atlantic. __________________ Raptor

04-17-13, 05:34 AM	#6
RustySubmarine Engineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tamworth UK. Presently,somewhere Below The Atlantic Posts: 213 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	On my present patrol of one of the two careers I have going, (January 1941) just south west of Iceland. I came up a Blue Circle convoy. There were three Flower Class Corvettes on escort, one leading and two at the rear. The Convoy consisted of about twenty enemy ships and a neutral. I didn't see any submarines, at all. I managed to sink a small merchant on the outside column, nearest to me, from about 3000 yards, but I think it was a lucky shot, because I was a bit far away. I just fired one kipper for the centre of the convoy just to see if I could score a hit. Luck was on my side, then I had to submerge to avoid one of the escorts, who was heading my way. Finally I shook them off and continued on my previous set course towards the Irish Sea. The ship I sunk was added to my Captains log as a small coastal freighter of 2450 tons. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] RUSTY SUBMARINE U534 Type IX40C Engine Room of U534 Now located at Birkenhead UK. I joined the navy to see the world What did I see? I saw the SEA!!!!

04-16-13, 08:03 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	In every SH3 convoy there is a "lead ship" - it will not necessarily be the ship out in front... when a circle appears it means a submarine is the lead ship in the convoy, so you will want to be on the look out for one of two things. 1. an enemy submarine within the convoy on the surface serving as an escort. 2. Other friendly U-boats attacking the convoy. * if it is #2 you will likely arrive after the fight is over, be on the lookout for damaged freighters __________________

04-17-13, 06:02 AM	#7
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	History I consider myself well-read on WW2 naval history. I have never come across an account of any convoy escorted by a submarine. In particular a submerged sub would not have the speed to keep up with any convoy. This can only be a concept invented in a mod. What mod(s) are you working with. Again, the suggestion was just that, since you didn't detect any sub. I think the circle/square does have to do with lead ship, but wonder about the idea of sub(s). Just my thoughts on the matter. __________________ Game Designer: Close The Atlantic - World War Three https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...orld-war-three

04-17-13, 08:07 AM	#8
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Convoy HX11 is an example of a convoy escorted by submarines. In this case it was two French subs. See http://www.warsailors.com/convoys/hx11.html . Nemo __________________ "I'm afraid there is no disguising the fact that King's obsession with the Pacific and the Battle of Washington cost us dear in the Battle of the Atlantic". Sir John Slessor GCB, DSO, MC, DL AOC-in-C Coastal Command RAF ___________________________________________

04-17-13, 08:58 AM	#9
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	And these subs usually screened for the convoy... running submerged many miles out ahead of the convoy listening for submerged contacts. as the convoy would catch up they could surface and reposition the sub before submerging again for some time. As for the red green and blue convoy markers... mine are all dark grey, the only way to ensure the neutral status or enemy/friendly status of a contact is to sail up and check her flag just as in reality __________________

04-17-13, 09:31 AM	#10
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	There is a mod that removes all colors and the directional tails from the ship and convoy symbols on your map. Only your U-boat shows up in color. Everything else is grey. You have to visually sort out friend from foe - just like the real Kaleuns had to do. God forbid you should sink a Brazilian neutral and start a war. __________________ Raptor

04-17-13, 07:46 PM	#12
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	GWX removes the colors and tails of ships/convoys. There is a mod that places them back if you so desire to run GWX and keep the colors. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

04-18-13, 03:02 AM	#13
MantiBrutalis Planesman Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Pilsen, Czech Republic Posts: 183 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Don't get me wrong, I love the fact you have to check the flag (or even stalk the ship though the night if the weather doesn't do your bidding). But sometimes... Sometimes contact reports could come colored...

04-18-13, 12:45 PM	#14
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	It definitely makes you be sure of your target before you press the button to release an eel. I....er, I mean I heard of someone almost torpedoing a German ore carrier of the coast of Norway in April of 1940. "Almost" being the key word. Nope...nope...it wasn't me. Nope. You can't prove it. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

04-18-13, 01:15 PM	#15
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	One of my first GWX careers many moons ago... I was cruising on the surface in BF24 about 40 km off the Isles of Scilly on a dark overcast night when I encountered two slow moving tribal class destroyers headed on an easterly course. I moved into attack position and fired one shot at each destroyer from periscope depth at about 2.5-3 km range. Both shots hit well astern as I my speed calculation was in error a bit. Both destroyers sat very low in the water dead still as I closed the range to about 800 meters to finish the kills. I raised the scope abd lined up on the lead ship... It was then that I realized these were both type 34 destroyers sailing under the kriegsmarine flag! I immediately thought "damn what are they doing putting along right in Tommie's front yard?!" Fortunately neither ship sank, so the game never dinged me for it... But that's when I learned right fast... Check those flags __________________